Whose Fault Is It?
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Posted 2011-08-07 22:21
by Karl Denninger
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Whose Fault Is It?
 

Let's start with whose fault it is not: S&P.

To recap:

  • S&P warned early in the year that there was a risk of a downgrade.

  • S&P, when the debate was entered in May, said that they needed to see $4 trillion in actual deficit reduction and that this was a "down payment" on the problem, not the entire solution (they're right, incidentally.)

  • S&P then re-iterated the warning when the debate got contentious.

That's (at least) three separate warnings that were intentionally ignored.  S&P was not ambiguous nor did they blindside anyone.  They told the government exactly what they needed to see and when in order to avoid the downgrade.  They're blameless.

So who's to blame?

  • CONgress, for it's willing refusal to either clearly state that it didn't care if the downgrade happened or complying with S&Ps demands. Pick one.  When you have a firm saying "do X or we do Y", and that's a legal act, you either do X or you expect Y.  It is the height of arrogance to try to shine someone on like this - yet Congress did - on both sides of the aisle.  If you're in Congress and you're "offended" or "surprised" by this action, STFU.  You have no right to complain - you knew exactly what you had to do in order to avoid it, and you failed.  Eat your (rotten) peas.

  • President Obama, for his belief that he could simply bully an independent business into not doing a lawful thing.  Again, he is a President, not a King.  Go back to Chicago Obama where you belong, and where "kneecap politics" are the way of the world.  Illinois deserves you.  Once again, eat your own damn peas.  You too knew exactly what you had to do as a leader to avoid the downgrade, and you failed.

  • We the people, for our refusal to accept that we cannot have services from our government we refuse to pay for in the present tense.  This is a fact, whether we like it or not. Our incessant demands for that which we refuse to pay for do not make those goods and services magically appear forever.  We are acting like spoiled little brats and deserve the spanking we are receiving this evening (and over the last two weeks) in our 401ks and IRAs.  Worse, the damage tonight is a "love tap" - the belt of cold hard economic reality, applied with extreme vengeance, is headed toward our butts if we don't cut our behavior out right now.

We have all squandered the three years of forbearance we received after the 2008/09 crash.  Instead of doing the right thing we did the wrong thing.  Instead of closing bankrupt institutions we turned formal accounting fraud ("mark to myth") into a legal and accepted practice.  Instead of accepting that we had a bloated Federal government that was not being funded with tax revenues we insisted on "more free cheese" to "help people" without any means to pay for it.  We listened to people like Biden and Obama who claimed we had to "stimulate" the economy, when in fact we'd been deficit spending to the tune of about $500 billion every year since 2003.  In other words we were already massively distorting the economy - and in no small part that was why we had a housing bubble.  Our nation is addicted to debt and we're all in denial. 

We must either face our addiction and break it or it will break us.

Never mind the "supply side" delusion.  Oh sure, it sounds good.  It even looks good - initially.  But explain to me this - if you're a supply-sider, then how come the debt addition and GDP addition chart, if it works to produce sustainable economic growth, looks like this?

There's the outcome of "supply side" economics: It's a scam and a fraud - the math always shows exactly what you did, no matter what you claim happened.

Here's the question before us tonight folks: Are we ready to accept reality?

While the markets are down a good bit, they opened down much more.  The rebound has been reasonably impressive.  But it can all disappear - and a lot more - by morning.  It will too, if not tomorrow then in the coming weeks and months if we don't cut the crap.

You've already seen your 401ks and IRAs get trashed.  The next time it will not bounce by 100% in 18 months - it will go down and stay down because we already played all the "new fraud" cards to create the pop we have just "enjoyed."  This time there is no ability to bail out the banks - irrespective of political will.  We either do the right thing - now - or events will overtake us in a disorderly fashion.

The G7 and ECB statements today were quite weak.  Oh sure, the Fed and the rest of the Central Banks will point their "bazookas" at the "evil speculators" and blast away with more liquidity (debt) in the firehose.  But there's no meaningful uptake.

The credit report last Friday was especially alarming.  It showed, for the first time in a long time, an uptick in credit card debt.  This would be thought of as good rather than bad except that the consumer income and spending were down.

So we have consumers who are not getting more money and not spending it - they're shifting spending to add more debt and it is reasonable to assume that this shift is forced rather than voluntary.

That's very bad folks.

As I have said a few times of late I do not think it's September of 2008 - yet.  I think the analogue is more like Bear Stearns' time.  This means we still have some months left before the various governments point their mighty bazookas (the most-powerful of which is simply their mouths) at the market and get a "click" rather than a "whoosh!" and "boom!"

But that day is coming folks - make no mistake.  I see no evidence from either political party in the Sunday shows today that either accepts what happened and why - nor any responsibility.  Instead we have everyone pointing fingers claiming the "other guy" did it.

Well, go back and read the top of this Ticker.  The terms for avoiding the downgrade were clear, they were published, they were consistent, and they were given with four to six months of warning, reiterated several times.  Congress and President Obama both gave the finger to S&P.

That's fine - but they gave the finger back, and they had every right to do so on the objective facts.

We either face facts and fix what's broken or we will have another Lehman 2008 moment, and much sooner than you think.

Since I do not believe the infestation in Washington DC are capable of acting like adults, as demonstrated by the fact that they just proved their inability for the entire world to see, I suggest that you be prepared for what is, in my opinion, the inevitable outcome.

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I'm going to step out on a limb and say at this point it DOESN'T MATTER who's at fault. This has obviously been an on-going probably that has been building for decades, and didn't happen overnight.
When President Obama took office, he really did inherit these problems, it's true, but not from President Bush, but from every president before him. He has failed as a leader, in that a leader accepts what is given to him, and hopefully, does their very best to correct the problems. It doesn't matter who gave him the problem, when it started. The only thing that matters is what is being done to correct it.
The calls from S&P, Moody's, et al, were warning signs, and our leadership throughout Washington failed to heed those calls, and it is their fault we were downgraded because they did not take any real action to address the spending addiction. And we are all going to pay the price very quickly...
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So, finally, after many people (including myself) have tried to pin Karl down on what he thinks the ACTUAL RESULT will be.... he lays it right out there in a Ticker.

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...suggest that you be prepared for what is, in my opinion, the inevitable outcome.


****** that gave me an involuntary shudder.

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Imo.

IF WE would get rid of the FED tax code and institute any of the options available that have been talked TO DEATH we would have a shot to come out of this.

SINCE WE WILL NOT WE ARE DOOMED.

There is no upside I see without that as the first order of biz.

NONE.

Obama you are brain dead , can you see NOThing!
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Whose

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Let's not forget China to the who's to blame list!!

China buys US debt in order to recycle $200bn a quarter in foreign reserves, hold down the yuan, and continue its mercantilist export strategy. If China had not distorted world trade in this fashion, the US would not be in such a mess.

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My kids hate me because I make them do chores, feed/clean up after their farm animals, and "at least taste" veges from the garden.

Someday they may appreciate summer squash.

That "someday" may be quicker than they expect.


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BULL , we used CHINA as a dumping ground. You can't have the free lunch we crave without them. We used them to prop up the free **** and now even they are coming to resent it.

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Quote:
suggest that you be prepared for what is, in my opinion, the inevitable outcome.


Frat, that is as close as Karl will ever get to saying "buy gold" ha ha. It is up over $32 on the downgrade. Pushing $1,700

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P.s.

I saw that credit card data and THAT sent a shiver up my spine.

I expect it to ramp all the way until a boom.
Almost has to be the peeps falling off the UEC and that is going to go crazy the rest of this year and into the next.

...or they are hoarding the eternal:)


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Will there be a round three of QE? Do children like Disneyland?++

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Lather Rinse Repeat...........America Destroyed by Design

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Asian markets are in bad mood.

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I have not moved past greed and stupid as that seems all that is needed to get where we are.

Some plans may be laying about of course but we are not to that point yet.

This is not even a flesh wound, yet.......................
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Don't fight the Fed.


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Excellent points made.



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The British provided the answer to our current problems in 1814 ...

S&P might immediately move U.S. credit rating to AAA+ if the American citizenry would just follow through ...




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Bond market (treasury) reaction tomorrow will be interesting.

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/ZN is trading now. It's not moving much.

The issue won't be in the bond market until it's too late. It never is.

Clinton listened to the rumblings and backed off. Obama thought he could bludgeon the market. He's wrong - the market is bigger than any man.

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Incidentally Shanghai is collapsing... down more than 4% now.

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I disagree. It is S&P's fault. For not downgrading us when they should have.

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Who's fault is it? It's the fault of those who believe in getting something for nothing and voting in those who made the promises to provide something for nothing knowing fully they could not be kept. It is the fault of those who knew providing something for nothing could not be accomplished, but did not fight the good fight.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

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My local news (CBS) out of Madison, WI commented that is was the length of time to get a debt deal done was the reason for the downgrade. Can these people be that stupid?
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At this point, it doesn't matter if the market is down 5000 points tomorrow OR up 1000 points at the end of the week ... OR if the DOW hits 20K by summer of 2012 ...

Both the U.S. $ and the Euro are headed for COLLAPSE ... just wondering who gets there first at this point. My money (LOL) is still on the Euro ...


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I told one of the local union presidents to F off publicly today because he was just going on and on about how the Tea Party was destroying the country with the downgrade. I made it very clear that we are no longer on speaking terms. I have decided from this point forward that I am not wasting my time with mouth breathers. I absolutely can no longer tolerate people that spread this BS and hate in order to tow their party line. I'm done.

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