Another B&E That The Sheriff Will Not Enforce in [Market-Ticker]

Posted 2011-07-08 14:33
by Karl Denninger
in Foreclosuregate

Another B&E That The Sheriff Will Not Enforce

Boudreau showed us the home, which was stripped bare.

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"Although Boudreau had fallen behind a bit in his mortgage, there were no foreclosure proceedings in effect," Altman says. "That means the people who trashed bordures home and took his possessions should be arrested and prosecuted like common criminals."

Not "like" common criminals - THEY ARE COMMON CRIMINALS.

It's time to stop this crap. If the Sheriff's office won't, then the people must.

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Mrbill Posts: 7840 Incept: 2008-10-19 North Carolina	Wow. They really want to push people until they snap, eh? I wonder when people will realize law enforcement only enforces laws against the little guy. 2011-07-08 14:47:05 Permalink
Erkme73 Posts: 85 Incept: 2010-10-23	I know Deeson - he's done a story on my Pasco County trespass incident where government workers broke into my fenced back yard to do reclaimed water inspections - without warrant, without consent. It would be great if citizens could put enough pressure on the Hernando County Sheriff's office to get them to take action. Here's a little OT rant about the HCSO... Then again, they're too busy right now mourning their loss of a deputy who wrapped his cruiser around a tree - while pursuing a 1991 Honda Accord. They've charged the fleeing suspect with his murder. Another Hernando deputy also wrecked his car during the same pursuit - so they're tacked on an attempted murder charge for good measure. Neither deputy's car ever made contact with the suspect's vehicle. I suspect it's easier to blame a high-performance 4-cylinder Accord with a methed-out driver, than to admit a) they shouldn't have pursued the guy through four counties, and b) that their training was inadequate. Last modified: 2011-07-08 14:51:57 by erkme73 2011-07-08 14:50:48 Permalink
Lenguado Posts: 1272 Incept: 2010-01-12 Orlando, FL	Wonder if he has any buddies who might want to take a little trip up to Knoxville, TN in their pickup trucks - and 'repay the pleasure of their visit'... so to speak... *"That's a lovely Mortgage Corporation you have there. Would hate to see anything, ummm, 'happen to it' now, wouldn't we?"" ---------- I just realized... they aren't saying, "Keynesian* Economics" they're saying "Kenyansian Economics". Grass Huts for everyone! Welcome to historys first Double Dip Depression 2011-07-08 15:14:49 Permalink
Nbpundit Posts: 60 Incept: 2011-04-05 Texas	Citizens arrests. Include the cops for aiding and abetting. 2011-07-08 15:18:00 Permalink
Asimov Posts: 103857 Incept: 2007-08-26 East Tennessee Eastern Time	I'm about an hour from knoxville... But I'm afraid my family means more to me than causing mayhem for these idiots. ---------- It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente. 2011-07-08 15:18:52 Permalink
T! Posts: 157 Incept: 2007-12-03 Nevada	Article says it was 21 Mortgage Corp in Knoxville that did this. I went to their website (link below) https://www.21stmortgage.com/web/21stSit.... they are a Berkshire-Hathaway Company!!!... 2011-07-08 15:27:05 Permalink
Matt_bear Posts: 6324 Incept: 2008-07-15 a week early on spy puts	so if Boudreau had been home, and shot and killed these people as they broke into his home....would it not be self-defense? if the mortgage company crooks are not considered criminals by law enforcement, then what? ---------- In terms of real-world fundamentals, I expect that most of the people around me, whom I work with day to day, and whom I pass on the street ... will be dead within five years. 2011-07-08 15:37:28 Permalink
Gantww Posts: 537 Incept: 2011-04-22 Nashville, TN	Sent the link to a reporter at the Tennessean. We'll see if it gets any traction, but I explained succinctly how it might be relevant and suggested the possibility that the company may have pulled similar stunts on in-state residents as well. 2011-07-08 15:55:26 Permalink
Medicdan Posts: 8007 Incept: 2010-02-11 Scottsdale, AZ	The Sheriff is elected and everyone knows that any politician that ***s with the banks will not win the next election. ---------- Arizona & desert gardening http://azediblegarden.com/ 2011-07-08 16:08:15 Permalink*
Bertdilbert Posts: 2653 Incept: 2008-12-22 CA Online	Sadly, the Sheriff is probably right in that it is a civil matter since there is a contract between the two parties. You would probably have to write a separate law to cover this situation to make it criminal to where the Sheriff would make an arrest. ---------- Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money! Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro. 2011-07-08 16:19:34 Permalink
Penguinzee Posts: 222 Incept: 2010-06-13 Tampa Bay, FL	Having dealt with Hernando County's "finest" (they're far from that) I'm not terribly surprised at this... Deeson is also a pitbull, so you can bet there will be a follow-up, and probably a settlement... ---------- Crime is far too lucrative a game to let the little people play.-popofthebright 2011-07-08 16:21:06 Permalink
Tienkou Posts: 4225 Incept: 2007-09-09 Connecticut	Bertdilbert you are entirely wrong..... There were no proceedings against the home owner. This was a clear cut home invasion! ---------- Barack Hussein Obama - The last President of the First American Revolution. The US Congress has abdicated its role as a governing body. The most dangerous man is the one with nothing left to lose. Our government is making more of them everyday. 2011-07-08 17:04:26 Permalink
Bertdilbert Posts: 2653 Incept: 2008-12-22 CA Online	Tienkou, We may hate bankers but we should not allow that to cloud our judgement. Who exactly should the sheriff arrest? Under your home invasion scenario, the people who actually did the work would be arrested. Joe sixpac is a student going to school part time. To make ends meet, he works part time jobs. This works out great for the "bank moving company" which has a varying load capacity depending on the banks volume. Joe sixpac now has a job. Unknown to Joe Sixpac, someone did not cross the I's and dot the T's and really screwed up. Joe performs his job in good faith and because of someone else's screw up gets arrested and now has a criminal record. If we did not hate bankers on this site and came accross the story of Joe Sixpac who was arrested, we would present it as a travesty of justice! Would the citizens of Hernando County be served? The way around this is to have all the "bank moving companies" employees become licenced movers where they have to have personal direct knowledge of the trail of paperwork etc. Not practical at all. The responsible person who placed the order is out of state. If there were to be a criminal action taken, it should be against that person. Because nobody is served harming otherwise innocent people, it is only right to handle it as a civil matter. ---------- Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money! Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro. 2011-07-08 17:31:19 Permalink
Phantomace Posts: 6393 Incept: 2009-03-16 Las Vegas, NV, and your screen	Bertdilbert... Bull**. J6P should have asked to see the specific legal order giving the right to his "employer" to request that he Break and Enter the house. Further, they should arrest J6P AND the person at the bank that hired him. Conspiracy, aiding and abetting, etc... UNTIL there is a LAWFUL order for the bank to take possession of the hosue and the items within it, then this is nothing less than a robbery. These people had EVERYTHING in the house stolen or destroyed. How would YOU like to be in their shoes? The bank had ZERO legal right to do a single ing thing to these people yet. If they wanted to repo the house, then they should have foreclosed FIRST. Instead, they decided that they didn't have to play by the rules, and apparently the *** LEO's in the area are going to let them get away with it. The whole thing is *ing disgusting, and your response is almost as bad. ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding... 2011-07-08 17:52:31 Permalink*
Viperjason Posts: 1156 Incept: 2008-03-06 Reno	Sorry Bert....thats a copout response. Who performed the invasion? Joe sixpac. Was it a company sponsored action? Yes, then company is liable for criminal charges (company ordered him to invade a home). If no, then Joe is liable. End of story. Sherrif needs to hold the correct party liable and bring them up on criminal charges. 2011-07-08 17:57:22 Permalink
Mrbill Posts: 7840 Incept: 2008-10-19 North Carolina	Quote: Who exactly should the sheriff arrest? Under your home invasion scenario, the people who actually did the work would be arrested. Uhh. Yeah, exactly. Didn't know you were working for a criminal organization? Too bad. Broke into someone else's house? You better be damn sure you know what you're doing, because its jail if you're wrong. 2011-07-08 17:58:17 Permalink
Bertdilbert Posts: 2653 Incept: 2008-12-22 CA Online	Phantomace The homeowner has a relationship with the bank. The bank did not perform as they should have under contract. The homeowner has a valid claim. I am not disputing that the bank should not be sued for treble damages in this kind of case. While I see zero right for the bank to do what they did and were clearly in the wrong, and the owner was harmed, I am not for seeing innocent people harmed as a result either. This is not like a case of robo signing where employees should have known they were doing something wrong. (Although after watching interviews, you wonder if they actually had the mental capacity). ---------- Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money! Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro. 2011-07-08 18:19:05 Permalink
Phantomace Posts: 6393 Incept: 2009-03-16 Las Vegas, NV, and your screen	Bert: You're trying to use the "I was just following orders" excuse. It is not a legal defense, either civilian or military, any more. If the subcontractor/employee wasn't smart enough, or diligent enough to verify they had the LEGAL right to break into the house, then they are nothing more than a common **ing thief. Just because "so & so asked me to do it" doesn't make it legal, and doesn't absolve them of the crime. The people that broke in should be in jail, and the people that paid them to do it should also be in jail. PERIOD.** ---------- "That was a little trick I call math. Oops, now I'm not emotionally invested..." - Dilbert The only good thing I have to say about Barney Frank is at least he's not breeding... 2011-07-08 18:27:54 Permalink
Kishka Posts: 6 Incept: 2011-06-11 Banned	They all should be prosecuted -- the bank for giving the order and the company for following it. B&E is a crime. Period. "But...but...but...I was paid to steal the furniture." What a laughable defense. 2011-07-08 18:29:32 Permalink
Throxxofvron Posts: 10308 Incept: 2009-02-17 Hyper-Speculative Psycho-Facsistic Parabolic Blow-Off Online	How can such activity be construed as a CIVIL Matter? 1. Was 911 called by the Homeowner immediately upon discovery of the Crime? 2. What is precluding the Homeowner from simply filing a Police Report for Trespassing, Vandalism, Harassment, B&E, Theft or Grand Theft; and having the Home dusted for prints? 3. Shouldn't the homeowner's Insurance have NO CHOICE but to consider this nothing more than a common B&E/Theft and Pay out on Insurance Coverage against such IF a Police report has been dutifully filed? 4. Under what guidelines can/would the local LEOs possibly object to the Homeowner filing a Police Report? 5. Doesn't the Homeowner have a case against the Bank, the Company Contracted to Enter, the Personal Employed by the Contractor -and possibly LEOs for abetting or refusing to accept Police Reports, etc...; BOTH Civil Criminal? 6. Doesn't the Homeowner also have an excellent lawsuit against their Insurer if they deny a claim against the Vandalism and Theft? ---------- DIONYSUS: " Thou hast no knowledge of the life thou art leading; thy very existence is now a mystery to thee. " -from 'The Bacchantes' By Euripides During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell 2011-07-08 18:30:03 Permalink
Mrbill Posts: 7840 Incept: 2008-10-19 North Carolina	Come on, really? They trashed the house, threw everything away, probably kept a lot of stuff for themselves along the way. Let me tell you, I would not do that myself. I would make a bank get a warrant and show me before I could even consider that. A job is now an excuse to commit crimes? Pffft. I guess it really is over. 2011-07-08 18:30:47 Permalink
Lowbeyond Posts: 16865 Incept: 2008-02-11 CO aka West NJ/East CA Online	ohhh poor poor jp6. blameless. just like all those poor poor jp6 realtors who sold the snake oil, promising riches beyond imagination to other jp6. cry me a fukking river. ---------- Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?! 2011-07-08 18:39:11 Permalink
Molyman Posts: 711 Incept: 2007-08-31 Keystone, CO	You don't need the Sheriff to do anything. Any citizen or an attorney for the victim can take this directly to a grand jury and seek indictment. 2011-07-08 18:44:40 Permalink
Bertdilbert Posts: 2653 Incept: 2008-12-22 CA Online	Well let's clear the air. For the record, I think the right thing to do was not bail out the banks. The shareholders should have been zeroed out and the bond holders split what was left if anything. The government should have taken over the banks and upon recapitalizing them, resold the banks back to the public. But that did not happen. Secondly, I believe that had the homeowner been home, that he should have the right to shoot the intruders. Even if Joe sixpac was shot and killed, it would be an unfortunate incident. Too bad for Joe Sixpac in that case. Joe sixpac's wife may have a claim against the bank/employer. After the smoke clears and the emotion is put to the side, what we are left with is the bank was totally out of bounds. The homeowner and the bank have a contract and the bank thought they were operating within that contract when clearly they were not. I say this makes it a civil and not a criminal matter. You are free to disagree. ---------- Dear Euroland: Relax, Germany has a plan for your money! Political Capital Defined: We are out of money but will tax our citizens for whatever it takes to "SAVE" the Euro. 2011-07-08 18:47:11 Permalink

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