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Templar223
Posts: 779
Incept: 2008-04-28
Champaign, IL
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Gen wrote..We cannot continue on this road - not even for another month. Sorry, it can and will continue for many more months, in all probability. I don't mean to rag on the Republicans last night, but I didn't hear anyone saying we need to stop the insanity and curb FSA hand-outs and "entitlements". Not a one. Yes, it needs to stop. But the current crop of politicians, by and large, don't have the fortitude to step up and do the right thing. They are afraid of the FSA voters... No way Democrats are going to***** off the entitlement classes of welfare leech****s and I don't think Republicans are going to alienate the seniors. No, this is going to end in a bad way. John
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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The Germans appear to be girded for the blow-up. But no one else is, least of all the US.
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Sparticlebrane
Posts: 287
Incept: 2009-08-25
Banned
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Quote:We cannot continue on this road - not even for another month. They're quite good at kicking the can...I'm betting they'll last for many more months, if not years. Any particular reason you've put a month time limit on it? Am I missing something?
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Genesis
Posts: 130717
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I've outlined plenty of them. Be prepared or be sorry.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Franjime
Posts: 1821
Incept: 2008-03-30
DFW
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typo- "Fail to remove it and eventually you read that point where the choices are made for you."
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"The avalanche has started - it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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Spiritof76
Posts: 41
Incept: 2010-12-07
Charlotte
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More tanks in the streets ****. Hello Benocide... your damn monetizing of the federal debt has done nothing for the real economy. It has propped up the Market under stupidly light volume. The rest of us are being crippled by your actions so I say let it ****ing collapse.
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Docj
Posts: 998
Incept: 2009-09-10
Duck & Cover
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Chairistan wrote.....the debt limit is the wrong tool for that important job. OK *******, so what precisely is the right tool? Eh, jackwagon?
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Judgesmales
Posts: 3334
Incept: 2008-02-05
Las Vegas
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The good points Bernanke made were only small concessions in order to make the real point of his speech: telling Congress to raise the debt ceiling. He knew if he only demanded the debt ceiling raise, he would come off sounding shrill or churlish, like Timmy's weekly threats. So instead, the Bernank told us a bunch of stuff we already know -- that the current rate of debt is unsustainable. Quote:These adjustments could take place through a careful and deliberative process that weighs priorities and gives individuals and firms adequate time to adjust to changes in government programs and tax policies. Or the needed fiscal adjustments could come as a rapid and much more painful response to a looming or actual fiscal crisis in an environment of rising interest rates, collapsing confidence and asset values, and a slowing economy. The choice is ours to make. As far as I'm concerned, he just gave Congress a loophole there. Instead of saying the deficits must be dealt with immediately, he gave them a way out by saying it could be a "careful and deliberative process that weighs priorties." In other words, medium-term, which is the same as "never." Congress as a group doesn't have the guts to set priorities, because it*****es off too many members of the FSA, so it will never deal with the debt problem unless forced from within (holding the debt ceiling hostage) or without (bond market dislocation).
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Don't forget: Panic is also an animal spirit, and it spreads much faster than optimism. Be careful what you wish for, Bernanke.
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Crzymorse
Posts: 1189
Incept: 2010-06-25
Maryland
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Personally, I'm prepared but I think we are going to have a couple years before it goes boom. When it happens though it going to go quick (like capsizing a boat), stable until its not anymore.
They need to roll back all the Bush tax cuts, higher taxes on the ultra rich with targeted tax cuts for investment in US production and manufacturing, up the SS age 70, cut medicare programs that are nice but not necessary, legalize and tax weed, restructure the military.
It's really not that difficult, cut spending by 1/3, debt finance 1/3 and higher taxes for 1/3. Do it again the following year, 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3 and your down to a 150-200B deficit, then cut 1/2 and finance 1/2 then just cut to 5% primary surplus, done.
Invest any SS surplus in other countries debt and markets to eliminate the slush fund dynamics.
BTW-GDP is a dumb measure of a standard of living, gets one in to more trouble then it's worth. If GDP contracts and the standard of living goes up -who really cares (except bankers as they need to be paid back with future dollars)
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Captainkidd
Posts: 594
Incept: 2010-05-25
Pasadena, Texas
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We have to spend more money so we don't go broke. Biden We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it. Pelosi We have to raise the debt ceiling and borrow more money to get our deficit spending under control. Bernanke
Anyone besides me see a logical thinking disability in this administration?
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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
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Jstanley01
Posts: 8178
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
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It's Judgment Day, and Bernanke wants to act like he's got religion all of a sudden. On Judgment Day it's too late, chump.
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You can't cheat an honest man. ~P.T. Barnum
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Lordhumongous
Posts: 4279
Incept: 2008-09-29
USA
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I am getting to the point where I just don't care anymore.
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Zarathustra
Posts: 5953
Incept: 2009-04-29
Funkytown
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Lord,
Getting? I've been there. I'm just bracing for impact...
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"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." - Socrates
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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This is where the banksters tell the scumbags (politicians) what to do.
Been there, done that. There's not a single politician with any ****ing ballz to make the tough decisions.
So the debt ceiling will be raised.
Ben will print.
The greenback will become the brownback (asswipe).
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...burp
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Richardebel
Posts: 96
Incept: 2010-11-15
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Yes, the budget needs to be brought in line with revenues, but where should the cuts begin to bring this about. Everyone has their sacred cows which they believe should remain in tact. For Seniors it's Medicare and Social Security. Employed workers it's lower taxes and higher wages. etc. It is obvious that everyone can't have it their way. Our economy simply cannot provide a job for every person that wants or needs one. I collect social security, because my prior employer AT&T has been using early retirement to get rid of elderly employees. I would much rather be working, but I could see the handwriting on the wall and retired early. That's my story. Everyone else has theirs as well. Karl thinks he has the answers, all though he has some sound arguments, we don't really know what he would do if he were actually in a position to do something about it. And would his solutions work any better? I don't have the answer. Like Winston Churchill once said, everyone feeds the alligator hoping that he will eat him last. That's how I see the present situation. Every persons solution is the one that will hurt him the least and benefit him the most.
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M1911
Posts: 34
Incept: 2009-09-10
Troy, MI
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Anyone ever read "Tappan on Survival"? It is interesting how everything he wrote in the first chapter regarding the U.S. in 1980 could have been written about the U.S. in 2007. He, and many others, were predicting an impending economic collapse which never happened. It was just papered over.
I see the Fed replaying the 1980's debt crisis playbook; however, the U.S. debt situation is considerably worse than the 1980's. I think Congress' response to the debt ceiling will be indicative of how things proceed from here.
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Anti
Posts: 4292
Incept: 2007-10-09
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Richardebel, I can name a half dozen other guys in the same boat - laid off well before the official early retirement age of 62.
People need to realize that even if they do somehow get out of college and get a "good" corporate job, it is unlikely to carry them through to a decent retirement. Somewhere in their fifties their earning power takes a nose-dive. People need to plan accordingly.
This is another long term deflationary force - trying to get to financial independence 10 years earlier limits what one can spend on housing and trinkets during ones foreshortened career.
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Malachor
Posts: 31
Incept: 2011-05-10
Illinois
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Karl's comment is something that every politician everywhere should read and I'll repeat it here. This is my first post but I was so struck with your words in their simplicity and implications that I wanted to quote them. I do not have a great deal of hope that our political class will heed them but for me its the crux of the matter at hand. Quote:We would have had a horrific Depression but by now it would be over and Americans would be able to buy homes again, our economy would be recovering, and the big problems we have would have been addressed.
Instead we kicked the can and added more than $4.5 trillion in debt to the problem - a 40% increase in just three years from where we were in 2007.
We cannot continue on this road - not even for another month.
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Danimal
Posts: 783
Incept: 2007-08-27
-FREEDOM AINT FREE-
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Templar, the State of Arizona Republicans said no to 15 more weeks of unemployment benefits this week. They have had enough. We will see if they cave as the Govn'r called for a special session and they told her and the Dems to stick it. Hope this is the start of cutting off the free ****. They did cut the medicaid for 200k people at the beginning of the year and another 100k starting in July. I think they are starting to get it in our state. Time for everyone to start carrying there own water.
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Eleua
Posts: 14028
Incept: 2007-07-05
N 47.72/ W 122.55
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Gen,
Any reason you think [****fan] is within a month, or were you just spitballing?
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Widgeon
Posts: 13481
Incept: 2007-08-30
Region formerly known as the United States
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More Insanity for $100 Alex.
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Corn1945
Posts: 4167
Incept: 2009-04-30
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Quote:Any reason you think smiley is within a month, or were you just spitballing? QE2 ends this month?
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Captbill
Posts: 842
Incept: 2008-07-22
Arizona's West Shore
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He's not the only one I read regularly saying that.
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Incredible. There's Smith and he's standing there and he's got the iceberg warning in his ****ing hand, excuse me, his hand, and he's ordering more speed. Lewis Bodine, RMS Titanic
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Traumaboyy
Posts: 201
Incept: 2011-05-20
Northwest Florida
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Bernanke told a bit of TRUTH???
Oh ****!! Now I am scared!!
And my chickens have not started laying yet!!!
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