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Lordhumongous
Posts: 4279
Incept: 2008-09-29
USA
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Quote:Why is it that the states that practice the most of this sort of policy are the ones in the worst economic trouble? According to a leftist that I know it's because we don't have a dictatorship. The left also believes that "society" owns everyone (tax slavery) and that anyone that isn't paying their "fair share" is a thief. Furthermore, the public sector produces all wealth and the private sector steals it. |
Captainkidd
Posts: 594
Incept: 2010-05-25
Pasadena, Texas
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Quote:Why is it that the states that practice the most of this sort of policy are the ones in the worst economic trouble? That question has been answered by Margaret Thatcher, wasn't it? The Liberal / Socialist agenda puts the practicing entity into economic trouble because, as Margaret said, "They keep running out of other people's money."
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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
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Mortgageguymn
Posts: 1566
Incept: 2009-03-09
North Coast
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Cutting special deals for big companies - sounds just like Dodd-Frank.
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Jata1
Posts: 5068
Incept: 2009-03-08
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And from the other perspective look at the states that have low tax policies, right to work laws, and economic freedom. Texas for example, I heard yesterday is responsibile for 38% of all new jobs created in the past 3 years. This ain't an accident
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Smacktle
Posts: 1362
Incept: 2009-01-20
Texas
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You gotta feel sorry for the poor people that live there and don't see what's coming.
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The faults of the burglar are the qualities of the financier.
- George Bernard Shaw
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Ishmael
Posts: 4731
Incept: 2008-02-25
Los Angeles to Oklahoma, at least temporarily for now!
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Why is it that the states that practice the most of this sort of policy are the ones in the worst economic trouble?
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Ding, Ding, Ding --- Give this man the jackpot. Karl you just won the prize with the best question in answer about our failing country. So obvious but so ignored!
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Hope is neither a good strategy or birth control methodology!
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Trades50
Posts: 4217
Incept: 2007-10-30
Land of Tax and Spend
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There should be a long list of businesses in IL. threatening. There are many business-friendly states with better weather. If enough leave Chicago will turn into another Detroit or Gary Indiana.
Illinois has been loosing people. The democratic legislature in Springfield has just accelerated this with the big jump in tax increases.
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When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
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Captainkidd
Posts: 594
Incept: 2010-05-25
Pasadena, Texas
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Quote:Cutting special deals for big companies - sounds just like Dodd-Frank. ....and Obamacare. ....and the bailout. ....and General Electric. ....and General Motors. Is there a pattern developing here? **********************************************
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A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a thousand men with guns. --Mario Puzo
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. -- Henry Ford
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Shrimpngrits
Posts: 156
Incept: 2008-10-14
South Carolina
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They are in the most economic trouble because liberals grade themselves on intent, not results.
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"Rome is burning--and instead of putting out the fire, most Americans are looking for a bag of marshmallows."
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Tdray
Posts: 249
Incept: 2008-12-11
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Smacktle - don't feel sorry for them. I have friends with businesses in Illinois. Despite the******job from Springfield and Cook County, they think it's the greatest place in the world. I tell my friends how much better off they would be in Tennessee or Texas, and they look at me like I am from another planet. They think that they couldn't conduct business if they weren't in the Chicagoland area. I'm sure once the mobs start running to there suburbs, they'll reconsider. By then, it will be too late though.
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Icanhasbailout
Posts: 9939
Incept: 2009-03-10
Imaginationland
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Quote:Is there a pattern developing here? It is quite well developed already, it's called fascism.
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Dashingdwl
Posts: 9764
Incept: 2007-06-26
los angeles
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Liberalism is a disease.
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When you are hard and disciplined, you can be principled. People fear you because they have no leverage against you. It's the truest form of Liberty.
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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@Tdray - Yeah, I know. I have over 70 direct family members in and around Detroit - most of them think I'm crazy for having lived on the west coast in the sunshine for the last 30+ years. Why would anyone move to paradise when you can live in Detroit? (sarc)
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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Pika-steph
Posts: 54732
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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This is so amusing from where I sit near Detroit. Michigan tried that. Exponentially rising taxes, handing out 'exceptions' and 'special rates' for big companies to stay or come here. That's how we got the stupid Hollywood film companies (who ****ing hire people from California and not Michigan anyway).  It resulted in a bizarre form of cronyism that was pervasive and everywhere. Governor Snyder just undid all that in one fell-swoop. While he will honor past agreements for their limited time frames, none will be renewed and many were just outright eliminted. The playing field is (mostly) back to level. After all this time - about 8 years of distorting the entire tax structure with handouts to 'special' people. We're now pushing for being a right to work state.  We have apparently had multiple inquiries from businesses in the Chicago area. You KNOW it's bad when people are actually coming TO Detroit!
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Ktrosper
Posts: 1500
Incept: 2010-04-06
ft collins co
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Pika wrote..We're now pushing for being a right to work state. We have apparently had multiple inquiries from businesses in the Chicago area.
You KNOW it's bad when people are actually coming TO Detroit! Thank God for State-sovereignty... Voting with our feet, whether it's an individual, a family or a corporation, is an effective way (usually when all other methods have failed) to pressure these States to clean up their acts. Our founders understood that State sovereignty would be one of the most important tools in preserving our individual rights, as it promotes competition between the States... It's why lefty/statist/totalitarian-types HATE sovereignty and the freedom to move. When given the choice, their oppressive policies are always rejected.
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The unexamined life is not worth living.-Socrates
The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law.-Aristotle
Liberty exists now in the spaces government has not yet chosen to occupy.-Doc Zero
I anticipate that 10 Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders will blow me this evening.-K.D
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Vidad
Posts: 97
Incept: 2010-08-15
Florida
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If Sears left Chicago... that would be incredible.
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Flaps10
Posts: 5171
Incept: 2008-10-17
seattle
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I wonder how my employer, Boeing, feels about having planted roots there to "get away from it all".
Out of the pan and into the fire?
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"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
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Lenguado
Posts: 1272
Incept: 2010-01-12
Orlando, FL
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Gen, Quote:why is it that the states that practice the most of this sort of policy are the ones in the worst economic trouble? Come on Gen...seriously?!?!? We ALL KNOW (especially 'Nobel Prize winner' Paul Krugman...) - it's because, 'they aren't doing enough of it..... 
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I just realized... they aren't saying, "Keynesian Economics" they're saying "Kenyansian Economics". Grass Huts for everyone!  Welcome to history’s first Double Dip Depression |
Lordhumongous
Posts: 4279
Incept: 2008-09-29
USA
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What the left really thinks is "because we can't force you to do whatever we want at the point of a gun yet".
It's going to be "up against the wall mother****er!" as soon as they have all their pieces in place. Until that happens we will only get glimpses of what is to come.
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Joejohns
Posts: 694
Incept: 2010-09-09
Banned
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There won't be any place left to run. The facts are set. The chance to shift away from consume at any cost was missed.
No state of any size will escape. The middle is toast no matter where you move.
You can run (for awhile) but you won't hide.
AT LEAST 50-60% of those with a job NOW are toast, they just can't understand that their gluttony of today will be their starvation later.
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2dogs
Posts: 2941
Incept: 2009-03-25
Land of the Lost
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Flaps10 wrote..I wonder how my employer, Boeing, feels about having planted roots there to "get away from it all".
Out of the pan and into the fire? I remember thinking Boeing was ****all crazy when they announced the move to Chicago. Didn't get it then; still don't get it now.
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You can't defeat the combined effects of massive voter fraud, the Free **** Army, and the entire bought and paid for media complex. This nation is done.
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Lowcarb
Posts: 129
Incept: 2009-06-30
San Luis Obispo, CA
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The problem with Chicago/IL is that its home to two of the most corrupt organizations in the country:
The ABA - American Bar Assn, and
The AMA - the American Medical Assn
These two organizations in conjunction with a population addicted to handouts and entitlements.
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Sunkeye
Posts: 190
Incept: 2010-12-14
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ha illinois land of bling-coln
just yesterday at impeached governor blagojevich's corruption trial
it came out then congressman rahm phoned the then governor to have him
appoint a stooge to his house of representatives seat
seemed rahm was moving on to bigger things but wanted
the stooge to keep rahm's spot warm if he ever decided to return to it
who cares that that's illegal - there's this little problem
called democracy as in holding elections - hey chicago
dont follow no stinkin laws - election or otherwise
corruption much?
odds this bombshell'll be followed up on? 10 million to 1 minimum
emanuel's parting phone quote 'i wont forget this'
as in 'you'll be taken care $$$$-wise later on dont worry'
of course blago was all ears and did as he was told
gotta chuckle now that blago's going down for doin' business as usual
while rahm sits pretty on his new mayor's throne ... 'er ... chair
i always had blago for a chump and rahm anything but ...
saying that based on rahm's 'in' w/ the money boys
and blago just a wannabe 'playa'
silly rodney
and that chuckle of mine necessary to keep from puking
oh btw just came out too ex-mayor - the guy before rahm - daley's
son bagged 700k+ in a no-bid city contract
nice work if you can get it huh?
excuse me now i do gotta puke
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Flaps10
Posts: 5171
Incept: 2008-10-17
seattle
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"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
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