The official would not say specifically why the raid took place while their attorneys think up a BS excuse. He did say the search was not related to student loans in default.
Fixed.
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"Better to die on your feet than live on your knees"
Maybe the man isnt as mad as we all would be because now he probably gets custody of the kids because mom may be a criminal? He gets out of child support, wife may get locked up, and he gets a big fat settlement? Just a guess.
Pika-steph
Posts: 54732
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
RTR has a good report on this - if anyone is unfamiliar, they are the new social network platform, hoping to be the new home for Constitutionally-minded people sick of Facebook's censorship and support for statism.
Ok so she's a suspect in a fraud scheme related to student loans.
HOW DOES THIS JUSTIFY BREAKING DOWN THE ****ING DOOR WITH A NO-KNOCK WARRANT?
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft.Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
Asimov
Posts: 104061
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
Well, they have to justify all those expensive toys some how.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
Eli said: [1984 video segment] Pretty much sums it up for me.
Actually, what we have is a cross between 1984 and Brave New world.
BTW, some of my favorite lines from that film:
"You must stop imagining that posterity will vindicate you, Winston. Posterity will never hear of you. You will be lifted clean out from the stream of history. We shall turn you into gas and pour you into the stratosphere. Nothing will remain of you, not a name in a register, not a memory in a living brain. You will be annihilated in the past as well as in the future. You will never have existed."
Every federal department has an Office of the Inspector General that has criminal investigators in them. Some have seperate criminal investigation agencies from the OIG as well (for example, there is the EPA OIG and then EPA CID). OIG's investigate criminal offenses perpetrated against the agency itself. Most of the time, this consists of procurement fraud or employee thefts. The seperate criminal investigation agencies in some departments (like EPA CID) investigate violations of federal law that are under that particular agencies jurisdiction.
nolaw wrote..
The Department of Education OIG has nothing to do with kids. It has to deal with criminal offenses against the federal agency itself. So, people scamming them out of federal funds on contracts, grants, etc.
and the real insight into the minds at work here...
nolaw wrote..
Say I gave you a badge and told you that you have now been officialy invested with the authority of a fedeal law enforcement officer. I gave you a fully investigated case file, which shows the evidence developed regarding a certain individual. Said individial is an employee of a business that the Department of Education awarded a long term contract worth tens of millions of dollars. This employee, while low level, had sufficent access to the firms accounting systems or authority regarding the certifying of work performed or distribution of funds received that he was able to steal millions of dollars in funds over several years. The case has taken several years to develop, but sufficient evidence has been found that an Assistant United States Attorney is ready to (or already has) indict the individual for fraud.
You review the history of the individual, and it reveals he has a criminal record, with weapons violations and assualt convictions on the local or state level. An arrest warrant for the individual and a search warrant for the residence has been issued by the judge, and you are in charge of executing it.
I could go on, but what would you want to be armed with (or at least have available to you)? Do you think you are going to do this alone? Maybe knock on his door politely, and tell him to come with you, you are the law and he must obey!
No, you are going to have the ENTIRE OFFICE (these offices do not have many people) there, you are going to have local police there, you are going to surround the place, you are going to force your way in (whether or not the door is answered or not), and you had damn well better be prepared for one of the hundreds of millions of firearms in this country to be aimed at you. You work with the advantages of suprise and overwhelming force to deter aggressive responses by the subject and destruction of evidence, but he may feel that since the gig is up, he has nothing left to lose.
Fraud does not have to be (and usually is not) a sophisticated scheme developed by some Ivy League grad. The sophistication applied to a scheme is usually directly proportional to the amount of regulatory oversight the individual or firm works under. Most of the money the government spends is through contracts and grants that are too numerous to conduct proper auditing or other compliance inspections. That's where the easy money is.
The answer to your question is right there from a man that apparently is close to this enough to speak to it in detail over a year ago right here. Right at the time of the department of education purchasing the 14" barrel remington 870 shotguns.
There is no legal reasoning for this, but there is a self-justified us versus them mentality that is clear as day.
As for other "unlawful invasion" here is another gem from the same psycho
nolaw wrote..
So, if you were a cop, and you went to the address in one of the roughest neighborhoods in Atlanta, with a drug warrant, you identify yourself as law enforcement, you go through the door, you are required to ascertain the true intentions of an individual that has a gun pointed at you in the milliseconds before the gun goes off? Oh, wait, you have already been shot, but, well, I have to now evaluate the situation, it might just be a scared grandma.
No, you will return fire until the threat stops shooting. End of story. Anything else is pure uninformed fantasy land. And there is an overwhelming amount of case law that supports law enforcement in these situations. Tragic? yes, but we do not live in a perfect world.
I fully support your right to defend yourself anyway you see fit, with whatever weapon you desire. But, sometimes, **** happens.
Karlmarxghost
Posts: 4148
Incept: 2009-01-26
I'm Your Huckleberry
Not sure why anyone is surprise. Ruby Ridge, Waco, New Orleans.... I mean even assuming fraud is the case here, does it really warrant the SWAT team? I mean, really? Doesnt the local government have some ****ing roads to fix or something than spend all the money they spent on that swat team raid? A no knock warrant? Really?
I just have to say this to all law enforcement who participate in terror like this... remember Nuremberg... I was just following orders did not fly...
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My views are my view and mine alone. Karl or ticker forum does not endorse or necessarily agree with my views. DO not trade on my views or take them personally.
Once again, there are different laws and enforcement mechanisms for the Oligarchy and the peasants...
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"Why must political experiments always be in the direction of more government? Why not give the free market a county or even a state or two, and see what it can accomplish?"Murray Rothbard - The Fallacy of the Public Sector
I have never wished to cater to the crowd; for what I know they do not approve, and what they approve I do not know. - Epicurus Oderint dum metuant - Caligula & Police State USA
6/8/11 A federal education official Wednesday offered little information as to why federal agents raided a Stockton man's home Tuesday morning. 4:41 min http://www.news10.net/video/984082418001....
6/9/11 After the Department of Education raided the home of a Stockton man Tuesday morning, officials said the search was part of an ongoing investigation into financial aid fraud. 3:03 min http://www.news10.net/video/984207023001....
Matt_bear
Posts: 6364
Incept: 2008-07-15
a week early on spy puts
this is turning into classic silent treatment until they come up with the perfect story that closes all legal loopholes...
reminds me of dave chapel skit. "look johnson, n*gga broke this home and hung up pictures of his family all over the place....oh well, just sprinkle some crack on him"
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In terms of real-world fundamentals, I expect that most of the people around me, whom I work with day to day, and whom I pass on the street ... will be dead within five years.
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