Geithner, You Ignorant Slut
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Posted 2011-05-18 07:43
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Geithner, You Ignorant Slut
 

This guy doesn't know when to quit:

NEW YORK (AP) -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Tuesday that if Republicans insist on passage of their budget plan as a condition for approving an increase in the nation's borrowing limit, they will be responsible for the consequences.

Speaking to a New York audience, Geithner said that Republicans would bear responsibility for the first debt default in the nation's history if they insist they will not vote for an increase in the $14.3 billion borrowing limit unless they win approval of a House Republican budget plan.

Your administration has known full-well what the debt limit has been for a very long time.  So has CONgress.  Both bodies were well aware that raising the limit is discretionary.

You seem to believe that playing the "Armageddon" card is something that can be done with impunity, mostly because your predecessor Hanky-Panky Paulson did so and Bernanke was a party to that.

The fact of the matter is that you seem to think that there's no limit to the nation's credit card.  You're wrong.

Yes, I know, the bond market hasn't cared (yet) about all this idiocy.  Then again it didn't care over in Greece either, right up until it did.  Same with Iceland, Ireland and Portugal. 

In fact, it seems to work the same way with most personal bankruptcies too.  People think they can push things a bit further, a bit more, they get another credit card, they play the balance-transfer rollover game, they feel the pressure and make some sort of maneuver and then breathe easier.

All this works for a little while, right up until it doesn't in dramatic fashion.  And then, once again, we hear "nobody could have seen it coming."

Well Timmy, lots of people saw this coming.  I did.  Hundreds of others who write on economics did.  The only people who "couldn't see it coming" are those who are so arrogant as to think they can play Global Thermonuclear Financial Armageddon whenever their social spending and military adventure bonanza is threatened and who have their heads firmly buried up the bankster's asses.

Let's cut the crap: That's exactly what this has been.

The jackbooted games are completely out of control.  The Federal Government has doubled in size since 2000.  Have we gotten twice as much service from the government?  No, we've gotten serviced instead.  And 2000 was a bad time in that regard as the government was dramatically overblown and overbloated at that point in time.

That was the last time I ran a mid-sized business and had to deal with that crap.  I will never do it again, so long as that "mass" is amassed against me.  And it will forever be, until the government shrinks.

The Feral Government is like a vampire that has gotten to weigh 500lbs.  It loves to suck the blood out of the nation and consume it.  Government employees like the TSA folks think that virtually rape-searching people with X-rays is "cool" and "for our safety" - including sticking their hands down a baby's diaper.  What sort of sick bastard engages in that sort of act?  The fact is that it was never about safety - it's entirely about shielding airlines from the risk of failing to secure their own aircraft and terminal facilities.  We can't have certain "favored" businesses risk failure when they blow it; rather, we have to make sure the boot of the government presses ever further on the people's necks.

The vampire needs to be put on a severe diet.  Yeah, it will scream and holler, like every fat man does when told that he can't gorge at McDonalds' any more.  But just like the 400lb man that needs two seatbelt extensions if the government doesn't cut this crap out the nation is going to have a heart attack and die.

I say chain the 500lb vapire to its chair and cut its rations by 50%.  When it screams, and it will, wear earmuffs and slam the door shut.  In short, Geithner, here's my response to your threats: Pound sand.

We're well-beyond the time where we should be neutering the government, not enabling it.  Emasculating the Federal Government with a nice, sharp knife, feeding its former pair of testes to the closest shark would do more to help this nation's economy than anything else that could be undertaken. 

Ronald Reagan used to talk about "rugged individualism."  He was right in that regard, although he sure didn't believe it when it came to certain personal choices.  He thought it was great if you wanted to drink a beer (boosts the economy) but smoking a doobie was good for 10 years in the slammer.  Like most statists he was a hypocrite when it came to that true "rugged individualism" and to add to his hypocrisy the "deal" he made on cutting taxes and slashing the size of government had no verification on the second half - which didn't happen.  Instead he sat back, patted himself on the head and then watched the vampiric Feral Government pack on another 50lbs.

Well, Timmy, it's time to go cold turkey.  You have enough tax revenue to avoid a default.  You can pay principal and interest, easily, with the tax money that comes in.  You then get to choose - do you send Granny her check (after you blew her contributions over the last 30 years in a puerile display of idiocy) or do you continue to fund the magical oil "reserves" that we "defend" with our $750 billion a year in defense expenditures rather than having a cogent and defensible energy policy?

Choices, choices.  They're tough. 

But default, in the legal sense, is in fact a choice, as the government's income does exceed it's actual lawfully mandated debt service. 

Remember Timmy, Social Security and Medicare are not "obligations" - they're entitlements.  Your very agency has argued this, successfully I might add, in court.  The Federal Reserve does not count those "obligations" as actual debts as a consequence.

In short Turbo, your "Armageddon Card" is frayed around the edges and doesn't work any more.  Multiple attempts at a balanced Federal Budget have been circumvented and fraudulently avoided.  It is time to pull the rug out from under this game and throw the board on the floor; balancing the budget by refusing to raise the debt ceiling is the right way to do it, and now is the time.

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Icanhasbailout
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He's NOT ignorant! He knows exactly what he is doing here - this is deliberate, in-your-face lying. The Obama admin's political strategy has been set - spread plainly false information to portray massive, reckless spending as a responsible, standard method of operation. Adopt the most cynical possible attitude with these people; skepticism is well-rewarded here.

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They don't have the balls. A deal will be made to extend the debt ceiling along with an agreement to cut some meaningless amount of spending over the next billions years that will never materialize.

It's going to take a bond market move to stop this and by then it will be too late.


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This is all about protecting Obama and nothing else.

Geithner is nothing but a mouthpiece for a failing administration trying to assign blame for what is ahead to anyone but those responsible.
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Cut unnecessary Government programs or default. Just do it. Do not raise the debt limit.

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Well, everything you said Karl and this would NOT be the first default. It's happened at least 3 times before that I know of - during the Civil War, 1933, and 1971.

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I'm confused, why aren't treasury yields flying up?

Why would people be buying Bonds in a currency teetering on default??

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You can get an idea of the difficulty of turning this around by taking note of the income sources of the people in your neighborhood and town. My neighborhood is somewhat unusual in being largely a resort/retirement community, predominantly people drawing social security or some form of disability. Some have private pensions or private disability or VA disability, but all are heavily (or completely) dependent on the government check.

Looking at the larger community, those who earn anything approaching a middle-class income work either directly for government, or in a field that is heavily or entirely dependent on government subsidy of some kind: public education, medical care, and law enforcement are the main ones.

Most real private-sector jobs in this area are at grocery stores, restaurants, retail, low-wage manufacturing, agriculture, and small business. The few well paid private sector jobs are with utility companies, higher-level banking jobs, small business ownership (some are doing well), and maybe some well capitalized farming.

To put this another way, our rural area is almost as dependent on the government checks as an inner-city ghetto. Maybe equally so, when you consider that there is plenty of private enterprise in the hood; the only difference is, the private enterprise in the hood is mostly of an illegal nature.

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Wouldn't a default be the fastest way to wake Bondzilla and get him to smack Leviathan down?

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Timmy left out "It's Bush's Fault".

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50% hit huh? What does that do to the economy instantly? How high does unemployment go up? Tax receipts they go down, correct? as GDP drops through the floor. Interest on our debt goes up until we get things aligned if we can showing we can pay our debt, than back down...for how long? While you do this immediately how do you solve our energy problem and if its not done first this is another magnitude hit on GDP eventually correct?

Karl have you ever put a guestimate together on the economic impact of following your own advice? (Unemployment, GDP hit, Going out of Business numbers) Would it be wise as a leader to make a dramatic cut in the size of government or better to do it gradual so the populace can gradualy get use to the new norm?

Ultimately can a path be plotted within reason to save the dollar and hold Americans together?
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All Turbo Timmy can do at this point is kick and scream, but whether we address spending now is up to Boehner. Whether John knows it or not, he will either fall on the grenade or be thrown on it. He has the choice of going down as a hero or a goat, but I suspect politcally, he's going down. If the Republican party doesn't stand its ground now, it is finished for 2012.

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All this works for a little while, right up until it does in dramatic fashion.

I say chain the 500lb vapire to its chair and cut its rations by 50%.

error's heads up

When it screams, and it will, wear earmuffs and slam the door shut.

AND NEVER NO MATTER WHAT IT TELLS YOU LET IT OUT

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If I were to take a wild guess, I'd say that total public-sector incomes in this county are about ten times total private-sector incomes. Perhaps I exaggerate--but that's the way it looks to me. How do you sustain something like this?

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The plain, simple, painful and unavoidable fact of the matter is that Idol America wants, no, demands far more government that it's willing to pay for. Every politician in DC and in every state capitol and town hall in this once-great land knows that at their core.

So expecting politicians (and Tiny Turbo Timmy is just a paid hack for an elected pol - Barry O) to actually do something at this point is just serving as the lone voice crying in the wilderness.

Has to be done, of course.

But nothing is gonna happen. Prepare accordingly.

Tbessi wrote..
50% hit huh? What does that do to the economy instantly?


We're going to find out. Count on it.

It's just that it's not going to happen, ahem, voluntarily.

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Tb, yes. The immediate impact would be extremely bad. But within 12-18 months, the economy would clear and recover on a private basis.

I've been writing on this for four years, including the expected impact.

As to whether it would be better to do it slowly, the answer is no. The longer you wait to run a primary surplus the more damage you must absorb. That's mathematics and there's no way around it.

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Tbessi- You act as if we have the option to gradually wean people onto this reduced way of government spending.

There is no bridge over the ravine ahead. We either stop now, and avoid going off the cliff- or we get REALLY drunk and hope it doesnt hurt when we hit bottom.

Either way- we are going to get it in the pooper.
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The Republicans should agree to raise the debt ceiling $500 billion. They should also agree to raise a little tax revenue - say $100 billion on the rich. Then let the Dems start making cuts.

If the Dems don't like it. They can pound sand.

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Tbessi has a point, in that it looks to me like the damage to my area if you cut off even half of public-sector income would be unimaginable.

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Sharon, the point is that this cliff was known three years ago and ignored. We were told in the 2008 election that by now we'd have cut the deficit in half, to $300 billion. We tripled it instead.

Tbessi does not have a point; that point was granted three years previous and was claimed to be the path forward, but that was a lie. It is clear over history that there are two choices: Hit the wall or hit the wall harder.

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"Geithner, you ignorant slut."

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Quote:
Geithner, you ignorant slut.


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What a way to start the day! Thanks, Gen.

(that would've been a great title)

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I'm not arguing with you, Karl. When I say the impact would be "unimaginable," what I'm saying is, I can't imagine it.


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Im safe then.....

I only like "intelligent sluts"....whewsmiley

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