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Captbill
Posts: 842
Incept: 2008-07-22
Arizona's West Shore
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When do these ideas of extracting money from Americans any way they can stop?
I think I know the answer.
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Incredible. There's Smith and he's standing there and he's got the iceberg warning in his ****ing hand, excuse me, his hand, and he's ordering more speed. Lewis Bodine, RMS Titanic
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Vidad
Posts: 97
Incept: 2010-08-15
Florida
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"The draft does not specify where field trials should begin"
How 'bout right up the president's A$$!
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Docj
Posts: 998
Incept: 2009-09-10
Duck & Cover
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Yet another proposal that will be instantly embraced and pushed aggressively by the very people in the media and among the "smarter" set who would be screaming to the High Heavens about "the coming police state" were this ludicrous, idiotic idea brought forth by Dubya or the McVain.
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The preservation of liberty depends upon the intellectual and moral character of the people. As long as knowledge and virtue are diffused generally among the body of a nation it is impossible they should be enslaved. - John Adams
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2dogs
Posts: 2936
Incept: 2009-03-25
Land of the Lost
Online
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What... $5-6/gallon gas isn't enough to financially strangle American workers? Obama has to tax them for commuting to/for their jobs?
Just when I think the idiocy and madness can't get any worse...
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You can't defeat the combined effects of massive voter fraud, the Free **** Army, and the entire bought and paid for media complex. This nation is done.
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Mayorviolet
Posts: 67
Incept: 2010-09-16
Philadelphia, PA
Banned
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Maybe not, Doc. I'm prolly more left than most of the readers/posters on Mr. Denninger's site, but this proposal is tremendously offensive. On an incremental march toward a police state, this constitutes a giant step.
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Thumpher
Posts: 49
Incept: 2009-06-04
Above the high water mark
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Quote:You do realize, folks, that it's trivially easy to tamper with such a device unless it also stores tracks. Well then we had better make tampering with such a device a federal offense. There, that'll fix those nasty tax cheats. |
Cobra2411
Posts: 10339
Incept: 2007-06-26
Philly P.a.
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Funny... Mine keeps developing these nice .45cal holes in the middle...
Gas tax already taxes you based on mileage and rewards for more efficient vehicles.
I guess when you're a stung out junkie at some point the coke that fell behind the toilet starts to look real good and you find yourself on your hands and knees on some nasty public bathroom floor trying to snort the coke that didn't end up in the puddle of*****...
It never ends well when it gets to that point.
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To err is human. To really **** things up takes government.
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Digitlman
Posts: 330
Incept: 2011-03-04
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No.
****ing.
Way.
If they want to drum up more money via new taxes, how about transactional taxes on stock trades? That ought to generate a few billion, and maybe shut down some HFT networks in the process.
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Cobra2411
Posts: 10339
Incept: 2007-06-26
Philly P.a.
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How about a nice tax on banker bailouts...
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To err is human. To really **** things up takes government.
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Irishsamurai
Posts: 1150
Incept: 2008-11-03
GA
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Passing legislation like this would constitute a King George III moment ...
It would not end well for the 535+ idiots in D.C.
Just a hunch.
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“Why is it the ship beats the waves when the waves are so many and the ship is one? The reason is that the ship has a purpose.” - Churchill
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Harrisonact
Posts: 1754
Incept: 2010-10-04
canada
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Place your dick on the table for insertion of the erection detector taxation probe. NOW! Quote:I guess when you're a stung out junkie at some point the coke that fell behind the toilet starts to look real good and you find yourself on your hands and knees on some nasty public bathroom floor trying to snort the coke that didn't end up in the puddle of*****... Naw, the .gov is now a heroin junkie, with nothing left to their name, having blown an AIDS dick for $10, now sitting under a bridge with a discarded needle they found in the park, using***** in the spoon to mix their heroin. The end usually comes quickly for junkies at this stage.
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bilge
My playbook speaks español. Deal with it. Im too lazy to fix it.
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Anti
Posts: 4292
Incept: 2007-10-09
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The tax on gasoline is a per mile tax - not enough for them apparently.
No, they don't want to get blamed for raising the price of gas and they want the ability to track people.
I guess they are hoping "eternal vigilance" gets too tiresome.
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Spazznout
Posts: 1704
Incept: 2009-04-15
Columbus, Ohio
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No, No, and No............This device will never be installed on my vehicle.....and if it does it will miraculously short out within minutes of the install...every time.....guaranteed........Circuit boards hate when you run 220v thru them.
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"In a land without Rule of Law even a sane man who desecrates the state must be made to look crazy. "
Rubicon Jan. 9, 2011 blog post.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
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Genesis
Posts: 130717
Incept: 2007-06-26
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They'll build it into the new ECUs, so you won't be able to buy a new car.
Ever again.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Flybeug
Posts: 44
Incept: 2009-02-09
Leiden, The Netherlands
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They've been trying that in Holland for the past 24 years, still no-go, wonder why they even bother. Quote:Netherlands Congestion Pricing Initiatives
The cities of the Randstad region of the Netherlands have considered the implementation of several congestion pricing initiatives since the mid 1990s. These initiatives included cordons and a per-kilometer charge to reduce congestion and raise revenues for transportation infrastructure. However, these congestion pricing initiatives failed to gather enough public support to be implemented. After the failure of these initiatives, surveys were conducted to measure the level of public acceptance for the congestion pricing proposals and to determine the major areas of public concern. The surveys revealed that there was little public support for road pricing due to the general distrust of government, a lack of understanding on how the tolling fees would be determined, and concerns about how the revenues would be used. (TRB, 2005) In addition, the surveys showed that the public did not perceive traffic volume as a major problem; rather, they viewed poor driving habits and the resulting incidents as the major cause of congestion. (TRB, 2005) By failing to demonstrate a need for the congestion pricing schemes as tools to manage congestion rather than as revenue generating mechanisms, the urban areas in the Netherlands have not been able to successfully implement a congestion pricing scheme. Sorry some links are in Dutch. 'Rekeningrijden' stands for VMT. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/dow....http://www.ncppp.org/resources/papers/fh....http://retro.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Rekeningrijde....http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binn....Have fun reading.... Reason: quote
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$4beagle
Posts: 438
Incept: 2008-02-05
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I wonder if they will apply the same miles tax against Michelle and her monthly vacations.
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Thesev
Posts: 1376
Incept: 2007-10-30
Louisiana
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Of course, we all know that the Current Tax Money is not being spent on what it's supposed to be spent on. Hence the need for more and more taxes, ostensibly for the same things.
But the tracking thing? Yeah, that's just a bonus for them.
Fight now, or fight later (or leave it to your kids to have to). 'sup to U
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The reason the republic isn't working is that it's being run as a democracy.
It doesn't matter who you are, or who you Think you are, the Math is Going to Win.
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Jv
Posts: 553
Incept: 2008-02-01
OH-IO
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Waiting for long time TFer Champ to come in and support this and tell everyone they are paranoid :)). It gets harder and harder to avoid all the intrusions which in itself removes all our freedom but it is all for the greater good. Utopia is around the corner :)).
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Starve the beast... any beast!! We can vote with our wallets every day.
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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I purchased a Roketa (Chinese) 250cc motorscooter. It get's 70 mpg, carries 2, and costs $1850 total, brand new, delivered in a crate to your home. It's a new 2008 model (there is a warehouse full of new, 2008's in Cali) with full warranty, bought online. It's a perfect, precision, machine and so far has exceeded my expectations. PM me if you want to know where, how to buy, more info - it's pretty cool, and allows me to give the middle finger to the gas prices and the government trackers to come. Did the government win by forcing me onto a motor scooter - yes, they did, but at least I'm still mobile for short trips, at a price I'm willing to pay!
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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Goforbroke
Posts: 5340
Incept: 2007-11-30
Just call me 'Comrade'
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They'll figure a way around the tampering ... TSA agents at every station, you must scan your driver's licence and car license number in order to get gas, biometric recognition on each pump, etc.
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We have met the enemy and it is us. -- Pogo
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Geschrei
Posts: 468
Incept: 2009-02-23
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I was just about to post a link to this on the "Tea Party Fail" Ticker, but as usual Karl beat me to it.
The scary part is, the technology for this is not only readily available, in many cases it's already installed. In fact many new car buyers are paying a premium to have it added to their window stickers. All they would need is some wireless technology at the gas stations to download the info from your vehicle's tracking device err, "navigational system".
I'm beginning to question the need for the "Tin Foil Hats" forum, since most of what I used to consider wild conspiratorial paranoia is turning up in "Breaking News" instead.
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“The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern.”
Lord Acton (1834 - 1902)
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Jv
Posts: 553
Incept: 2008-02-01
OH-IO
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Time for you to inform your hubby GFB that you guys are getting rid of the vehicles :)).
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Starve the beast... any beast!! We can vote with our wallets every day.
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Lurkerm
Posts: 23
Incept: 2008-08-01
Huntsville, AL
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If they want more $$/mile in taxes there are easier ways to do it - raise gas tax, assess the tax when odometer is read for state-required inspections/registrations/etc. It's obvious that this is just a (flimsy) excuse to track everyone with the added bonus of handing out contracts to build the trackers/readers. It's also not a new idea: http://www.accountabilityutah.org/Issues....the excuse then was that people were driving more efficient cars and the gas tax revenue was going down. If motorcycles are exempt I may have to renew my endorsement. |
Goforbroke
Posts: 5340
Incept: 2007-11-30
Just call me 'Comrade'
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JV ... right. I can just see it ... "I'm not driving anymore!" I think he'd be ready to place me permanently in a looney bin.
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We have met the enemy and it is us. -- Pogo
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