So What 'Ya Gonna Do Now Ben?
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Posted 2011-05-04 13:39
by Karl Denninger
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So What 'Ya Gonna Do Now Ben?
 

There's no joy here folks.  Let's look first at the bullish view: This is just a normal little dip - buy it.

The daily chart appears to support this.  Prices stopped this morning on the trendline, and that would appear to be a pretty-attractive buy-point.  There's a problem with this thesis, however, as is illustrated here:

Here's the problem - we've bought the move from January to now with dollar weakness.  And worse, the effect is wearing off - that is, dollar weakness is now becoming negative for the market.

I have often written about the "nightmare" scenario for Bernanke - a market that stops responding strongly to further monetary games.  That is, he monetizes debt and instead of producing a ramp the result is a flat market - or even one that starts to break down.  This is akin to the common reaction to all addictive behavior - it feels great when you start, but the longer it goes on the worse the damage gets until you're either forced to dry out or you die.

Unfortunately the real economy is also running into trouble.  The monetary games have enabled $1,700 billion in deficit spending over the last year alone, and more than $4 trillion over the last three years.  All of that "pumping" has done only thing, however: It has bolstered the big banks' balance sheets.

How does this help you?  Well, it doesn't, unless you both want to and can afford to borrow more money.  But we got into this mess of an economy because people had borrowed too much money!

So now we sit in an interesting place.  The dollar can move lower by another couple of percent without breaking the all-time lows.  But somewhere there is a place where decline turns into rout.  That place is where oil goes up a double-digit number of dollars a day, where gasoline starts pricing upward in quarters instead of pennies, and where the alleged "economy" takes a .50 cal round to the head.

Bernanke must prevent that, since Congress won't.  They won't stop spending on their own - they're going to have to be forced to stop. That forcing won't come from a polite suggestion - it will come only from actual force that the market imposes upon us, much as it did with President Clinton.

Unfortunately the policy response options available to the Chairsatan are decidedly limited.  If monetization or even balance sheet rollover produces weakness, he has little he can do other than to defend the dollar.  That he can easily do by reducing the divisor (number of dollars) but that act will expose the bogus lending on the bank balance sheets and increase the cost of borrowed capital.  It will also spike the stock market - lower.

Hmmmm... might it be that the limits of this game of distortion are finally being reached?  Perhaps.  Certainly commodities - especially Silver - are saying that the usual response to monetary debasement is no longer going to produce the "expected" response.

It would appear that extreme caution is advised.

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Docj
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Meanwhile, Portuguese sheeple are about to take it in the squeekhole at the behest of their elected "leaders".

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/brea....

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he's too arrogant to think he's being beaten.

he'll keep monetizing.

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Well, it doesn't, unless you both want to and can afford to borrow more money.


They tried to keep the game going by filling every nook and cranny with debt. Stooping to loading our kids down with huge school loans.

That's the problem when the economic idol is John Maynard Keynes. Maybe not the same mistake that was made during the depression, just a different one. In another 75 years there will be another arrogant guy like Bernanke that thinks he has it all figured out.

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We wouldn't be having this conversation if Ben cared about the real economy.

Bernanke has plenty of scapegoats. Big oil driving up the price of gas, increased global demand, etc. I have personally heard these on main stream television.
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Raise interest rates?

(not a chance in hell, I know.)
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I was perusing Asia Times and saw this article speculating on a deflationary event. I'm not sure if he's saying money to lend is being pulled away, or it's there without takers.


Lending Drought -> http://blog.atimes.net/?p=1777
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>Unless banks start lending to the private sector again–and this seems unlikely–how is this scenario NOT deflationary?<

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Kobayashi Maru( no win situation)

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Obama said buy stocks.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/....

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President Obama told Americans to take a look at investing in the stock market this afternoon, a remarkable utterance for an American president, especially as the Dow Jones Industrial Average proceeds on its course Southward.

"What you're now seeing is ... profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you've got a long-term perspective on it," the president said on a day that trading continued to hover under 7,000.

The president predicted that Americans' consumer confidence would improve as they see the stimulus bill "taking root."

"Businesses are starting to see opportunities for investment and potential hiring," he said. "We are going to start creating jobs again."


I trust my president!

/sarc

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"Trades50" wrote..
They tried to keep the game going by filling every nook and cranny with debt.


They still are. I received 5 pre-approved credit card offers and an offer for a home equity loan in yesterday's mail. No thanks.

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Sure. Seems like a problem.

Bernanke is going to have to raise interest rates, soon.

To prevent the dollars decline, and put pressure on buyers to bid the housing market.

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What do you think? smiley

The Bernank to the Rescue. That's his answer to everything.

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Spinoza wrote..
Bernanke is going to have to raise interest rates, soon.


And blow up the Fed portfolio?

smiley

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Bernanke is going to have to raise interest rates, soon.


Bill Gross already knows the fed's move, Bernanke has to take his medicine. Let the dollar slide and see commodities just crush the economy with ever increasing prices or raise rates. Either way it's going to be very painful. If he lets the dollar tank in a disorderly manner people will starve (food, gas, etc, outrageously high), riots will occur and the house fed's house will come tumbling down.

Besides, if they let the dollar fall, by printing, eventually long-term rates will spike (Greece, Spain).


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The correlation between on the one side commodity and food price inflation and on the other side FED acting as Treasury debt buyer of last resort is easy to see (courtesy of Seeking Alpha):

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This magic monetary policy is bringing down the dollar and as soon as Bernanke shuts down the monetizing programme, the price of holding commodities will rise even without Ben trying to raise interest rates which he cannot do ... that is, bubbles in metals, oil, and food could be about to burst.

For another way of interpreting the correlation depicted above, using the price of bread around the world over time as a proxy for price inflation, see todays Daily Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econo....
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Gasoline just jumped another 10 cents yesterday...from $4.09 to $4.19 for the 87 octane regular. I think that might be a record high price for around here.

Glad I don't work minimum wage - it could now be easily an hour of your wage each day just to get back and forth from work and another hours wage for your lunch break - net 6 of 8 hours each day. If you a part-timer forget about it.
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Think I'm missing something on the Obama snark ... if you bought the total market index on the date he suggested - March 3, 2009 - at $16.58/sh, you now hold shares (without any reinvestment) worth $34.15/sh. You sell today, you double your money (less cap gains, unless it's in an IRA). If all of the Chicken Littles that post here are correct, and the sky does fall, you still managed to double your initial investment in two years.
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Oh, Obama made a sell call, too? Link? I missed it.

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Profit to Earnings RATIO??? Did he mean Price to Earnings ration?!! What a poser!!!


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Hey, the Fed & the Treasury are committed to a "strong dollar", I heard it on NPR, it must be true.

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Mayorviolet,

True, the price on your investment has nearly doubled. But can the same be said for it's value?

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Haven't we seen this before and then things mysteriously turned back to Ben's way.
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Obsidian wrote..
True, the price on your investment has nearly doubled. But can the same be said for it's value?


Ding, ding, ding! Winner!

If you bought a stock in 2009, and sold today, the value is the same, right? No, it's not, because you cash out and your dollars are worth less. Bingo!

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Jonab +1.

I think were about to witness the first Fed Chairman requiring Secret Service protection.

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If you don't know enough to sell when your investment has doubled in two years, you might want to stick to CDs, or invest in some primo Glenn Beckian gold outfits. Granted, it's not a true double, when you factor in the declining value of the dollar over the course of the investment, but unless you're going to invest in something not denominated in dollars, that's always going to be true.
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