If This Proves Up... (Arizona Foreclosures)
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Posted 2011-04-30 22:56
by Karl Denninger
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If This Proves Up... (Arizona Foreclosures)
 

I am positively speechless:

One thing though… from what Darrell explained to me, Carl Seel must have been in a very good mood the day of his unexpected tardiness, because even though he had been previously turned down twice for his own loan modification, two days before he showed up too late to propose the amendment, Ocwen granted him a PRINCIPAL REDUCTION that reduced his mortgage to $88,000 from roughly $190,000… that’s a reduction of approximately 56% give or take a few points one way or the other.

For those who are wondering what this is about, it ties right back to the series I've been doing on Arizona SB1259.  The bill that Ms. McLain killed and which would have require mortgage servicers and debt-holders to follow existing law - you know, only foreclose on people when you actually own the debt in question?

And lest anyone think this is some sort of trite concern, we have multiple cases where we know these records are NOT correct and people HAVE been foreclosed upon in error, with not-the-least of them being instances where notes got sold twice.  In fact, we have a former executive from TBW who seems to be headed to the pokey for his part in that practice.  That statement, incidentally, is not an "allegation" any more - see, Mr. Fakas was convicted

So what's this new discovery about?  Apparently Mr. Seel was intending to introduce an amendment that would basically restore SB1259 on top of another bill in Arizona.  But somewhere along the way to the State House to do so, he got, well, "delayed."  And, if the allegation above is correct, he also, roughly at the same time, got an approximately 50% principal reduction in his mortgage.

Now perhaps there's an innocent explanation for this..... second killing of that language.

But doesn't there come a time where honest people demand actual investigations and answers?

I think we're well beyond that point.

Ps: Trust me on this - you've not seen the last Ticker from me on this subject.  Not by a long shot.  If you're an Arizona lawmaker, did something wrong in this regard, and think this issue is just going to wither away and die, you're sadly mistaken.

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Iou
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Karl,
I hope you are well armed. The banksters will be trying to silence you. Once they figure out you can’t be bought they will try to take you out. Things are really getting serious. You're the only reason I still hold a glimmer of hope. God bless.

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The most shocking thing here isn't that state lawmakers can be brought, but that they can be brought so cheaply...
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Keep machine gunning 'em with the truth, Karl, and God be with you. You're one of the good guys.
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(s)Quid pro quo

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Wow. And this is Arizona. I cannot even find a single competent attorney in Las Vegas, NV, willing to sue a bank for quiet title, even when I'm paying cash up front, on retainer, at their hourly rate. Not one.

Oh well. If I go broke, I'm just going to have to start robbing banks, and hope for jury nullification if/when I'm brought to trial!

If banks don't have to follow the law, why should I?

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Since the bad debt collection scamsters moved over into the mortgage service business, this is kind of on topic.

Got a phone call the other day for my wife, the "assistant" in the "law office" of blah blah blah wanted to talk to an old classmate of my wife's, about a "legal matter". She forwarded the message to the classmate, and after I googled the phone number, she forwarded a second message warning that it was scamsters trying to get a phone number on him.

The scamsters had found our phone number by googling their intended victim.
But then the web can work both ways....
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The last thing the Banksters want to do is anger the proletariat by violently silencing bloggers. The result of such an action is the polarization of the public with the ultimate result being they will be shown the same humanity they were showed others, and they know it. The soviet union showed you had to discredit such individuals prior to executing them; of all the interactions Denninger has with the Media, even those who attempt to discredit the man eventually become mesmerized by the truth.

Remember Gents; Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box. In That Order.

@ McLain, Reagan and Seel. If you think impeachment and a short jail sentence is the worst thing that can happen to you, wait until you face an angry mob of disenchanted voters whom have literally nothing left to lose. That is where this senseless lawlessness leads. Your constituents are crooks; you will receive more praise and political points by backstabbing them; there are plenty of people willing to hand you money to see that happen. Toss the lot in the slammer and let em' rot.


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Don’t under estimate what these banksters will do. Karl is*****ing off some very powerful people. To think they’ll stand by and do nothing is foolish. They’re getting away with murder in broad daylight and they don’t give a **** who sees it. Hell they want everyone to see it. Plunder is the standard way of life and anyone getting in the way will be silenced. That’s the American way.

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Karl -- great Ticker. I suspect that you are now on some bankers' lists -- please watch your 6. We don't want any "accidents."

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Amazing! Karl, can you get in touch with this guy the same way you did with Ms. Reagan? You're one of the few people left in whom I have hope...
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What a hell of an article. I actually looked to see if this guy had a donate button. What he wrote on the bottom, that right wins out in the USA in the end. McClain is a dung beetle crossed with a worm at a minimum. The idea of a free house is the biggest bunch of bull**** I have read in years as bankers aren't collecting money from people because of their self interest, their need to hide losses so they can buy time to loot more money out of the system. It appears that holding clear title means nothing to this bitch and few, if any Republicans or Democrats are really concerned with fraud being involved in our banking, pension, securities and other financial systems. The headline I saw yesterday was that profits were up 26% YOY. It is all coming from scamming markets, hiding losses and directly from the government. Mandelman deserves applause in his efforts. The worms in the Arizona government deserve a few years of hard labor in the Arizona heat. I have never liked crooks.

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So I guess each legislator will re-propose SB1259 and get their own writedowns in turn, what a f--king joke.
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This is the reason I say that the problem is not bankers etc, but the root cause is the political system that allows them to be bought. Until this root problem is solved, we are only fighting symptoms of the disease. The cancer needs to be cauterized at the root.

The problem is the political class is not going to arrest themselves or pass laws that would encumber them to business as usual. What we need here is a fourth branch of government that spend 24 hours a day pursuing our elected class too root out corruption.

Our best and brightest need to pull sting after sting on these guys and head them off to the gallows.

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Quote:
What we need here is a fourth branch of government that spend 24 hours a day pursuing our elected class too root out corruption.


There's a reason the press is called the "fourth estate". They're bought out too.

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Naked Capitalism has some coverage on this angle as well...

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/04/a....

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Icanhasbailout beat me to it. I was going to comment that the "fourth estate" (the media) has been asleep at the switch for years.

There's another definition of the fourth estate, and that is the masses (the people). Thanks to the internet, the masses are becoming investigators and journalists in ways never before possible. That gives me some hope.

Stories like this where the corruption is right out in the open (or alleged corruption, to be fair) show us that lawlessness begets lawlessness. I have always believed that we can survive our financial issues. But I don't think we can survive the corruption. At the end of the day, everything we do in this nation depends on trust.

Have we crossed the line over into banana republic territory? It's starting to feel that way.
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The graft and corruption is so pandemic now. At this rate of decline their will be lawlessness abound.
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Hey, Arizona State pols! You are making our Illinois legislators jealous! Damnit! 'We're Number 1' just sounds so hollow now!

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I have a very bad feeling the moneychangers are going to bully us again VERY soon AGAIN like in SEPT 2008. I'm lost for words, TY Karl, and everyone for being the stubborn cat that KNOWS the rat is in the closet, and the rat is consuming what it stole, over and over again. The rat will have to come out of the closet someday for more, guess what??? Genesis, and others have not left and are waiting. The rat will pay and die hopefully. The rat can only plunder so much until enough of us are awake to get the job done.
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Bobinator5000 wrote..
@ McLain, Reagan and Seel. If you think impeachment and a short jail sentence is the worst thing that can happen to you, wait until you face an angry mob of disenchanted voters whom have literally nothing left to lose.

Why are you lumping Rep. Reagan with the other two?
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I think it's high-time a group of ARMED citizens open-carried to their State House and "demand" a few answers of their own...

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McLain actually brags that she has thwarted 8 or 10 bills intended to restore legality to the AZ foreclosure process, what chutzpah - IN YOUR FACE Arizona voters!
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Now we need to keep an eye on how and how fast Arizona deals with this. Does the Attorney General lick his finger and put it up in the air to test which way the wind is blowing? Or does he *DO* what he should and start subpenaing information *RIGHT NOW* ???

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Icarus: Further down in the story, the author smelled a potential rat....

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In an unrelated story… or perhaps not, depending on how you look at it… Senator Michelle Reagan, who proposed the first bill pertaining to the need to declare proper chain of title prior to foreclosure, SB 1259… the one that disappeared on its way to the House after passing the Arizona senate… successfully settled her dispute with her own servicer, roughly a month after she decided to facilitate her own bill’s disappearance.

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