Another Voice: US Will Go Bankrupt
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Posted 2011-03-24 08:26
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Another Voice: US Will Go Bankrupt
 

And.....it's gone.

"If we continue down on the path on which the fiscal authorities put us, we will become insolvent, the question is when," Dallas Federal Reserve Bank President Richard Fisher said in a question and answer session after delivering a speech at the University of Frankfurt. "The short-term negotiations are very important, I look at this as a tipping point."

Yep.

$100 billion in spending reductions from pre-planned increase levels when you're spending $1,700 billion more than you are taking in via taxes is not "real action" and do nothing to take us away from that "tipping point."  It is in fact mashing the accelerator pedal despite seeing the granite wall in front of us.

The primary problem the Federal Government faces right now is that over the last three years their borrowing has become more than 10% of the economy.  The "free stuff" mentality has become not just entrenched in our economic mindset it has become essential to keeping us from having to recognize an economic Depression that happened in 2008.

Worse, it's still going on.  Remember, economic Depression is a cumulative 10% decline in GDP according to those who practice economics.  Well, how are we doing?

Blue line folks.  More than 10% of GDP in 2008, 2009 and 2010.  Cumulatively this is a roughly 37% GDP decrease that has been masked.  The problem is that what we're trying to mask is this:

Since the 1970s we've played this game - take more debt to mask the inability of GDP to fund its own expansion.  The 1980 recession led to a monstrous burst in this behavior, encouraged and permitted by The Fed and Federal Government.  Everyone breathed a sigh of relief when it "worked" in the mid 1980s.

The problem is that this path didn't really work.  The 1990s saw even more of this lunacy, and of course we then mashed the pedal to the metal in the 2000s, reaching thirty percent of GDP being added in one single year after subtracting out nominal GDP growth in net debt additions.

This insanity went on for an entire decade without reprieve.  All we're doing now is trying to cover the inevitable hangover created by our debauchery through shifting that same behavior to the Federal Government.  It won't work because it mathematically can't work - the government by definition can only be a part of the economy, not all of it.  This is akin to a house cat attempting to eat a cheetah; this episode is not going to end as Fluffy intends.

The sad fact is that we have built into our economy an enormous amount of false demand.  The output is real but the money to pay for it is not.  Expansion of the balance sheet, whether it's done by The Federal Reserve, The Federal Government or individual consumers, must be backed by expansion in actual output in excess of input costs.  It wasn't for 40 years and really wasn't for the last 30 of them.

The 1930s were bad because during the 1920s we did the same thing.  But this time we continued to distort the market not once but twice.  When we got the official warning in 2000 in the form of the Nasdaq crash we could have chosen at that instant in time to take our medicine, accept a 10% contraction in GDP and then rebuild from there.  The banksters could have been chided and left without the ability to perform more alchemy, with some of them going to prison for their ridiculously-overstated "projections" based on alleged facts they knew were false

But we didn't do any of that; instead, we took all the restrictions that were left on the financial sector and threw them in the dustbin, and having bailed out Continental Illinois' bondholders when they blew up "investors" were led to believe (proved correct in 2008) that should they provide capital to a bank that used it poorly they would be protected from the possibility of loss.  Corruption of the regulatory process left the banksters quite certain they'd not go to jail for claiming their assets were "protected" by devices like Credit Default Swaps even though they were well-aware that the people writing those swaps could not pay.  This too was proved correct when AIG, among others, factually could not pay and instead of Goldman (and others) being left with the just and proper loss the government again bailed them out.

There are no serious legislators left in Washington DC.  All this talk about "deficit reduction" is a scam and a fraud.  The CBO itself believes that the Federal Government will double its net indebtedness by 2020.  I will remind everyone that in 2000 the CBO projected that the federal government would have no debt whatsoever by 2010.  They may be "independent" of either political party or any branch of government, but the CBO has a long and storied history of being far too optimistic in their projections of fiscal outcomes.

The big lie from Southerland and Miller on the 22nd was the premise that this tsunami of debt was going to be impossible to handle in 2040 or 2060, as they showed in their charts.  The reason those two Representatives were lying through their teeth to their constituents in the room is that we will not make it to 2020 on the path we are on today, nor will we get there with these $100 billion ($60 billion ratably) "reductions" after you hand out $400 billion in tax reductions for the same year.  In fact, assuming the $60 billion does get passed somehow you've still increased the deficit by $340 billion.  Republican claims of "cuts" in the deficit ARE BALD AND INTENTIONAL LIES.

It is for this reason that the claims that "nobody over 50 will have their benefits cut" is an outrageous fraud.  The government will not be able to maintain this trajectory.  The $100 billion in "cuts" are the starting point for negotiations and anyone who has ever negotiated anything knows that you never get everything you begin your negotiation with.  If the Republicans demanded $500 billion each and every year from the previous years' spending and accepted $400 billion, maintaining this on a forward basis for four or five years, the market might think the government is serious and accept their path. 

But when you start by adding $400 billion to the deficit and then "take back" $100 billion of it? You're a damned pair of liars and you know it.

There are no serious people in Congress dealing with this issue, and that's the beginning and end of the discussion as it exists today.  The Government will not get to 2020 before the budget overwhelms financing capacity.  Attempting to "print" via The Fed out of this at a rate which will be three times or more what was done in QE2 will lead to $10/gallon gasoline within five years and more than a clean double in the price of food and other energy commodities, which in turn will cause literal impoverishment of 30% of our population, including Senior citizens.

The claim that somehow those over 50 will be "protected", ladies and gentlemen, is a damned lie.

The facts are that the government will not manage to maintain its current trajectory for just nine more years, say much less thirty - which is what is being implied in that "nobody over 50" claim.  Federal "gimme" programs, that is, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment and Welfare consume all of Federal Tax revenues right here, right now, today.

These are facts, and it is time we accept and deal with them.

We can fix Social Security but Medicare and Medicaid cannot be fixed.  Unemployment cannot be left alone.  All three of those programs must be cut dramatically, and the entire rest of the Federal Budget must be reduced by roughly half.

I'm tired of the lies, frauds and scams, and virtually all of them come from Washington DC and the pestilence that infests it, refusing to tell the truth: There is no solution that can be found when you hand out over $400 billion in additional deficits for the next two years in December, then tell us that $100 billion in "cuts" are going in the correct direction. 

You're all a pack of damn liars and frauds - each and every one of you.

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Corn1945
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They all think it won't happen while they are in office. Thats the crux of it.
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They're all HOPING it won't happen while they are in office....but someday it will.

Great ticker, KD. Calling out the liars. We need another group of Founding Fathers to show some courage soon, or our empire is toast.

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Hey Fisher, I wonder how the idea of selling treasuries is going to go??????

How does he square this quote:

"I think we are at the beginning of the process and it's going to be very painful"

with this one

"we have a self-sustaining recovery."

Mental midget or liar....I'll take door number 2.

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Good Fed / Bad Fed. He didn't vote this past year, right?
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C'mon Denninger, all they need to do is double taxes on the "rich" and print more "Obama bucks". I know because a starry eyed true believer with a shockingly high amount of real education who even owns a successful private sector business told me so.

We're still in the happy days of only having to deal with debt financed "to each according to his needs".

We're not broke yet because there is wealth out there that hasn't been stolen. When they run out of wealth to steal they'll put phase two into motion: "from each according to their abilities", which is a nice way of saying "produce or die".

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Sen. Rand Paul's (R-KY) "$500B cut this year, balance the budget in 3" proposal - which yeah I'm sure was full of gimmicks - was at least a reasonably serious attempt to get out of control spending under some semblance of control while still leaving more than 70% of the fed.gov entirely untouched.

And it went precisely nowhere. The so-called "extremist, Tea-Party driven" and (nominally) Republican controlled HOR wouldn't touch it with a 100-foot pole while wearing HazMat suits. The other statist party just ignored it entirely.

Our fate is sealed. It's only a matter of precisely how and when the DOOM! starts, if it hasn't started already (and I suspect it has).

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This is correct, they are sure they can kick the can till they are out of office, but if they continue, US might get an authoritarian government in 15-20 years that will look back and encourage the******of these liars' wives, mothers and daughters, and for them, their fathers and son to be hanged from lamp posts... after being sodomized, of course.

No matter how you look at this ****, the American dream is over baby. Fitness in America is next.
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As of last month the Fed gov deficit alone was over 18% of the economy.

Maybe they are banking that the granite wall is just a thin veneer?

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Great work as always KD, the audience isn't the banksters, politicians, or the media, it's voters. Each day a few more read the truth and it tips them to investigate further, understand, and become resolved to make the tough choices ahead.

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And every one keeps referring to the "Fix".

Ain't fixable, that ship has sailed.


Walker on CNBS this morning:

"They're arguing over the Bar Tab on the Titanic."

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No legislator deals with this issue because there is no upside politically in doing so. Simple as that really.
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Genesis wrote..
$100 billion in spending reductions from pre-planned increase levels when you're spending $1,700 billion more than you are taking in via taxes is not "real action"

This is proof of the current political reality....that spending won't be (seriously) cut.
Not even by the "conservative" House.
So that only leaves the revenue side of the ledger: tax increases.
The actions by the Fed in "QE" were to (temporarily) allow no cuts in spending or increases in taxes, by buying gov't debt. That will have to end soon.
(Disclaimer: I'm opposed to tax increases. They will only add to the downward spiral of the economy. What I'm saying here is my assessment of the political reality, not my desire, OK?)


Lordhumongous wrote..
We're not broke yet because there is wealth out there that hasn't been stolen.

Yep.
The productive people are about to get more taxes.
Lessons from history.


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As Ronald Reagan's vice president in the 1980s, Bush endorsed Reagan's policy that tax increases were undesirable but sometimes necessary. Over the course of his time in office, Reagan approved a total of thirteen tax increases, including one of the largest in history in 1982, while also cutting taxes on a number of occasions.

When in office, Bush found it challenging to keep his promise. The Bush campaign's figures had been based on the assumption that the high growth of the late 1980s would continue throughout his time in office. Instead, a recession began. By 1990, rising deficits, fueled by a growth in mandatory spending and a declining economy, began to greatly increase the federal deficit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lip....

And these are the "fiscal conservatives".
It will continue until it hits that granite wall.
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yes, yes and yes
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As with any maturing ponzi scheme, the more people that become involved, and as the base widens, money is collected and funneled to the top at an exponentially accellerating pace giving a false sense of success and profiability. We are now entering that point.

As the rest of the world falters they will funnel money into the only safe place they have ever known at an acclerating pace; the United States, its currency, and it's financial instruments. This will defy all logic as investors will no longer be rational. As such, I beleive the dollar will strengthen rapidly and Treasuries get bid up accordingly right before the crash.

We may have longer to wait than any of us suspects.

The United States will be the last, biggest, and most spectacular ka-boom.

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Quote:
Since the 1970s we've played this game - take more debt to mask the inability of GDP to fund its own expansion.


That's how long we have been running a trade deficit too. Coincidence?

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/stat....

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Eliminating Medicare and Medicaid would go a long way toward clearing up some of the distortions destroying the country.

However, I think about my friend on Medicaid on dialysis awaiting a transplant. I would like to think that maybe a way to grandfather such cases without letting new ones in could be found. You can bet though that the press would highlight cases like this one 24/7.

Unemployment could go back to what it was. Social Security could be cut 5% a year until the young folks could see that it would be there for them.

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This entire conversation is much deeper than budget deficits. It is really a question of how big a role the government should play in our lives.

Is it really a surprise that the economy has been decaying since the growth of big government began?
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Tickers like this one should be mandatory reading by every President, Cabinet Member, Senator, Congressman, and voter. We all need to turn the tv's off and start reading and learning this stuff for ourselves. I, for one, have been forwarding some of KD's best tickers to family and friends. A couple have even started asking questions about them and started a dialogue about the mess we're in.

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Genesis wrote..
There are no serious people in Congress dealing with this issue, and that's the beginning and end of the discussion as it exists today. The Government will not get to 2020 before the budget overwhelms financing capacity. Attempting to "print" via The Fed out of this at a rate which will be three times or more what was done in QE2 will lead to $10/gallon gasoline within five years and more than a clean double in the price of food and other energy commodities, which in turn will cause literal impoverishment of 30% of our population, including Senior citizens.


Like I said... In many tickers... Intergenerational households. Be prepared for you and your spouse (if you can stay employed) to support your unemployed kids (possibly with student loans, and maybe making a minimum wage) AND your parents who cannot live on their own because SS and Medicare no longer covers them, all under YOUR roof.

How many bedrooms do YOU have?

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Old is new again - three generation households were the norm in my yute...
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way back when i used to love hearing dandy don meredith break into 'turn out the lights ... the party's overrrrr '

when near the end of monday night football the last drive of the losers' side fizzled

pardon my cynicism but nowadays any a-n-y news story re the fiscal timebomb triggers the same tune in my head

'turn out the lights ... the party's overrrr '

denninger for congress <--- my new sig line w/ inspirational t/y to cato the elder
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Deficit spending is a minor part of the problem.

Last year there was about $1.5 trillion deficit spending. Taxes and revenue taken in by the government was another $2.1 trillion.

There was $8.4 trillion in T-securities sold at the Treasury‘s auctions. The FRB of NY handles all of the accounting for the auctions. “The Reserve Banks auction, issue, maintain and redeem securities…(and handle)… paper U.S. savings bonds and book-entry marketable Treasury securities.” Ref. the Fed’s ANNUAL REPORT: BUDGET REVIEW 2010, p 5.

Every security sold at the Treasury auction is clear profit for the Fed. It the revenue from the auctions went to the coffers of the government (as publicly touted) there would be no inflation. Having the auction funds credited to the Fed is the only way that inflation can result in the US economy. The ANNUAL REPORT OF THE BOG TO CONGRESS does not mention the revenue from the auctions. The profit is off-of-the-record. $8.4 trillion income unreported. Is that embezzlement ?
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So what happened to assimilation of 401k and IRA monies? a national VAT? Increased taxes on the wealthy earning over 42k annual? Means testing of SSA, special one time tax on all retirement accounts, fees on all financial transactions...am I forgetting other ways of .gov obtaining money?

There may be a ways still to go in this game.

And I maintain that the longer the agony can be maintained, the more likely it is to be assumed as normal and just the way it is. Crank out one generation of have-nots and the die is cast. This is regardless of which faction runs the govt and what form of govt there is.

hmmph
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They're thinking about taxing driving...

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/se....

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