Health Care Unconstitutional: Obama Sedition?
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Posted 2011-02-01 11:17
by Karl Denninger
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Health Care Unconstitutional: Obama Sedition?
 

Yes, that's a strong word.

It may also be appropriate.

The White House officials said that the ruling would not have an impact on implementation of the law, which is being phased in gradually. (The individual mandate, for example, does not begin until 2014.) They said that states cannot use the ruling as a basis to delay implementation in part because the ruling does not rest on "anything like a conventional Constitutional analysis." Twenty-six states were involved in the lawsuit.

So now we have a White House that has declared its intent to ignore a declaratory judgment.

The Administration has no right to do this. 

Obama's White House has exactly two options:

  • Comply with the ruling.  This means that any and all activity authorized or mandated by the Statute cease now.

  • File an appeal and ask for a stay pending its hearing.  If said stay is granted, then the ruling is held pending consideration.

That's it.

Folks, this is clear.  The Judge in question, Judge Vinson, in fact sets forth exactly this in the opinion:

(5) Injunction

The last issue to be resolved is the plaintiffs’ request for injunctive relief enjoining implementation of the Act, which can be disposed of very quickly. Injunctive relief is an “extraordinary” [Weinberger v. Romero-Barcelo, 456 U.S. 305, 312, 102 S. Ct. 1798, 72 L. Ed. 2d 91 (1982)], and “drastic” remedy [Aaron v. S.E.C., 446 U.S. 680, 703, 100 S. Ct. 1945, 64 L. Ed. 2d 611 (1980) (Burger, J., concurring)]. It is even more so when the party to be enjoined is the federal government, for there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result, the declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction.” See Comm. on Judiciary of U.S. House of Representatives v. Miers, 542 F.3d 909, 911 (D.C. Cir. 2008); accord Sanchez-Espinoza v. Reagan, 770 F.2d 202, 208 n.8 (D.C. Cir. 1985) (“declaratory judgment is, in a context such as this where federal officers are defendants, the practical equivalent of specific relief such as an injunction . . . since it must be presumed that federal officers will adhere to the law as declared by the court”) (Scalia, J.) (emphasis added).

Except in this case The White House has now declared its intent to intentionally disobey the law as declared by the court.

There is no reason to conclude that this presumption should not apply here. Thus, the award of declaratory relief is adequate and separate injunctive relief is not necessary.

Well, as of today, there is such a reason to so conclude.

The Plaintiffs need to make their way back to court this morning and file an emergency request for both an injunction and a citation of contempt of court against the members of The Obama Administration, including President Obama personally, Kathleen Sebelius and The Internal Revenue Service, all of which are staffing up for and acting as if this law remains in full force and effect.

This is now a full-blown Constitutional Crisis.  The Executive's willful, intentional and publicly-stated refusal to honor a declaratory judgment is an open act of willful and intentional violation of The Separation of Powers in The Constitution and, if combined with the use of or threat of use of force as is always present when government coercion is employed, treads awfully close to the line, and may cross it, of 18 USC Ch 115 Sec 2384, to wit:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

The exercise of power by the Executive and Judicial branch, under which the Internal Revenue and Health and Human Services operate, inherently constitutes the use of force.

When such is used to "prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of The United States" the parties that have done so, it can be argued, have engaged in a Seditious Conspiracy.

By the way, Mark Levin pretty much sees it this way too.  I agree with him, but I'll go further - unless the Obama Administration either stands down now or files an appeal and seeks a stay and stands down until said stay is granted, if it is, then they have indeed crossed the line.

The statement from The Obama Administration is a declaration that he is not a President, but rather a King and he arrogates to himself a "divine right."  The willful and intentional refusal of an organ of government to abide a lawful decision of a court of competent jurisdiction is a declaration of tyranny and lawlessness.  Such a declaration has only one lawful response, and that is the preparation and filing of Articles of Impeachment on an immediate basis.

Here is the actual decision, once again:

 

Florida January 31, 2011 Summary Judgment Order
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Apparently there are others who share Schumer's lack of understanding of the "three branches of government."

Yes, Executive, there is a Judicial.
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What do you expect when you have a Kenyan as president.

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The critical "next step" in institutionalized lawlessness, starting at the very top.

Beautifully reasoned analysis, Karl. Now let's see whether or not we actually have laws left in this country.

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You do realize by now this administration has absolutely no clue regarding our process of law, do you not? I think Eric Holder is sufficient evidence to support my assertion.

I don't care if Obama claims he's a 'student of the Constitution' or not, he and all that surround him are either entirely ignorant of our laws or they are willfully and with malice and forethought, disregarding them.

Pick one.

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Who needs judges in a dictatorship?

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Pikasteph wrote..
they are willfully and with malice and forethought, disregarding them.


This, I think.

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Karen, there's just one catch: Justice works for Executive.

TS, we have plenty of laws, just nobody willing and able to enforce them.

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Rule by decree. Is it any wonder they can't see what the problem with their boy Mubarak could be?
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IMHO, the United States has been in a state of Constitutional Crisis since at latest the 2008 passage of TARP.

The Health Care Bill was just another load of cord wood piled on the yet to be lit pyre...

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Judge Vinson, a federal judge in the northern district of Florida, struck down the entire health care law as unconstitutional on Monday, though he is allowing the Obama administration to continue to implement and enforce it while the government appeals his ruling.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011....

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Skeptical: No he's not. Read the actual decision.

ANY intentional misrepresentation in these threads is an INSTANTANEOUS ban. I expect a retraction and edit on your response. I Cited the actual decision, and you WILL do so.

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Gen,

I love your site and am thrilled to be a guest here. Can you give Skeptical a bit more time to meet your requirements. It looks like you only gave him five minutes to 'retract' a quote that he made (without comment) from the news outlet 'washington times' which he even provided a link to.

I know I do not think as fast as you do and I probably could not come up with a response in that short a time. Perhaps he is googling for more information or trying to word a reply. I think 5 minutes is a bit short time limit.




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Obama announced his belief that the Constitution didn't go far enough in stating what the federal government must do on our behalf in a 2001 WBEZ (Chicago public radio) interview (the clip is on youtube). He apparently sees himself as 'fixing that flaw' now. smiley

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Funny how when the Executive wants it one way and the courts uphold an unconstitutional law its all chummy chummy. But when the Judiciary judges something that Congress and the Executive branch want as being unconstitutional, well then, by gum, we'll just roll right over that...

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Here, I'll help Skeptical understand the article he posted was nothing more than WH propaganda fed to the media.

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Injunctive relief is an “extraordinary” [Weinberger v. Romero-Barcelo, 456 U.S. 305, 312, 102 S. Ct. 1798, 72 L. Ed. 2d 91 (1982)], and “drastic” remedy [Aaron v. S.E.C. 446 U.S. 680, 703, 100 S. Ct. 1945, 64 L. Ed. 2d 611 (1980)(Burger, J., concurring)]. It is even more so when the party to be enjoined is the federal government, for there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result, thedeclaratory judgment is the junctional equivalent of an injunction.” See Comm. on Judiciary of U.S. House of Representatives v. Miers , 542 F.3d 909, 911 (D.C. Cir. 2008); accord Sanchez-Espinoza v. Reagan, 770 F.2d 202, 208 n.8 (D.C. Cir. 1985) (“declaratory judgment is, in a context such as this where federal officers are defendants, the practical equivalent of specific relief such as an injunction . . . since it must be presumed that federal officers will adhere to the law as declared by the court ”) (Scalia, J.) (emphasis added). There is no reason to conclude that this presumption should not apply here. Thus, the award of declaratory relief is adequate and separate injunctive relief is not necessary.




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Repeat after me: THESE *******S WANT A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.

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Steph, Skeptical is gone.

The paragraph you cite is explicitly produced in the Ticker.

He's either (1) incompetent, or (2) yet another hard-left plant. I don't care which, he's done and I will kill any other account that also self-identifies as belonging to either group.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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someone answer me this:

if the president and administration shrugs off a judges ruling and sends the IRS after people to collect on that mandate....who's going to stop them?

you can argue with the IRS at your doorstep til your blue in the face and show them this piece of paper saying they can't do it....but when they've got guns and they're going to arrest you and throw you behind bars what good is it?

the general public does not understand the 3 branches and what their "limits" are. They view the President as top dog.


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Didn't he do this with the Gulf oil drilling ban too?

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The Gulf Oil drilling ban was never ruled unconstitutional. It was overruled as a matter of agency overreach, but they came back with a slightly modified policy.

This is entirely different - the entire 2700 page Statute was tossed yesterday. The only two LEGAL avenues for the administration and Congress are to either accept it or appeal the ruling.

Until there is an appeal stay issued, the ruling stands as written and binds the administration.

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From Skeptical's link:
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White House officials said that sort of “surpassingly curious reading” called into question Judge Vinson‘s entire ruling.

“There’s something thoroughly odd and unconventional about the analysis,” said a White House official who briefed reporters late Monday afternoon, speaking on the condition of anonymity.


I'm sure it is "curious", "odd", and "unconventional" to our government that at least some judges actually still feel themselves bound to a strict interpretation of the Constitution.

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if the president and administration shrugs off a judges ruling and sends the IRS after people to collect on that mandate....who's going to stop them?

you can argue with the IRS at your doorstep til your blue in the face and show them this piece of paper saying they can't do it....but when they've got guns and they're going to arrest you and throw you behind bars what good is it?


Matt, I'll give you the answer I got to the same kind of question (re: gun grabbing) I posed at the Badnarik class: "everybody has to choose for themselves where they draw their line in the sand"

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why would anyone give a **** about the law now? Were way past that point... I thought it was pretty obvious.
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They think this is all a big game. There are no real consequences to their actions. As evidence, all of Obama's speeches are still campaign speeches.

They probably did some focus groups and found their self selected group "wants" them to continue. So to avoid upsetting their base, they will just carry-on.

And frankly, why shouldn't Obama (or his handlers) think this way. Bernanke has gotten away with bull**** for so long.

But, this is taking it to a whole different level.
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