More "Tanks In The Streets" Nonsense
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Posted 2011-01-20 11:17
by Karl Denninger
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If local governments succeed in the fight against how banks have recorded the transfer of mortgage notes through the Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, home loans could become as expensive as credit cards, K&L Gates Partner Laurence Platt said Wednesday.

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Platt admitted there were issues with the system, but he warned that scoring short-term political points could be the end of affordable housing.

"They are making secured credit unenforceable," Platt said. "If you think you're going to get 4% mortgages on unsecured loans, you're wrong. You're going to get credit card rates. MERS was designed to make it easy to transfer assignments in modern economics."

That's a damned lie.

If the lender bothers to follow local law, then there is no problem.

If the lender actually transfers the notes and the lender can prove they have physical possession and an unbroken chain of assignment when they move to foreclose, there is no problem.

The problems are all because the lenders decided, by the own hand and with nobody else involved or making the decision, that they would lie, cheat and steal.

That is, they wouldn't document anything.  They wouldn't conform with the requirements of their own PSAs, which they certified they had complied with.  They wouldn't actually sign anything over.  And that when challenged, they'd literally invent evidence by coming to court with perjured documents.

"MERS was designed to make it easy to transfer assignments in modern economics."

There is no transfer of an assignment in a securitized mortgage.

This is black letter law.

A REMIC, in order to receive pass-through tax treatment, must be a static pool of loans on the closing date. 

Got that?  Static.  Unchanging.  Fixed.  Singular.  Enumerated.

There is absolutely no reason why the Trustee should not have recorded their interest at the time of formation of that pool, assuming they were and are following the law on REMICs and that they actually have the notes.

We're talking about, on average, about $30 to record these things.  On a pool of 1,000 mortgages - a $100 million pool, assuming an average $100,000 balance, this is $30,000 in one-time expense, or 0.03% of the loan balances.  Too hard?  Too expensive? 

Nonsense.

Doing so would have proved that the pool actually owns the note and has received it.  It would also prevent selling the same note twice, or waiting until it defaults to "give" the bad debt to a "high risk" pool while keeping the "good" ones for "favored" people.  That is, it would have documented compliance with both IRS REMIC regulations and the PSA governing the trusts, along with the UCC and State Property Law.  

The Trusts would have got all that for just $30 for each mortgage. 

So why didn't they?

There are all sorts of "reports" flying around that in fact there are shenanigans like this - illegal shenanigans - going on with these things.  There are multiple reports of foreclosures being filed by a servicer or in the name of "MERS" when the trust allegedly holding the paper can't document that it does - including cases where the note isn't on the remittance reports.  How the hell do you argue you own something when you don't show the actual loan you claim you own on the remittance report for your alleged "trust"?

The purpose of property recordation laws in the States is to prohibit this sort of crap and keep titles clean and defensible.  To make sure that when one does a title search one can determine who owns the land and who has a valid security interest on it - not that someone does, but exactly who does

That MERS has helped to enable firms and Trusts to evade these requirements doesn't make MERS - by itself - a criminal enterprise or somehow invalid standing alone.  But it also doesn't mean that MERS should be able to eviscerate these protections that were put in place to keep people from getting screwed by paying someone who doesn't really own the paper, being unable to get an actual copy of the note they signed marked "PAID IN FULL" when they finish paying off their obligation, or being foreclosed upon by someone who isn't the actual proved-up holder of the debt with a valid and unbroken security interest.

The "Tanks in the Streets" argument is identical to saying that we had to bail out people who engaged in unsound and perhaps even fraudulent conduct lest "the financial system collapse."

That's a lie.

What we should do is force those who did unsound and/or fraudulent things to eat their own cooking.  If this blows them to Mars, too damn bad.  There are banks and financial institutions that have not committed these offenses, and they both can and will step in to fill the void.

Those who argue "Tanks in the Streets" must be charged with making terroristic threats against The United States and The States individually and imprisoned, not coddled and pandered to.

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If they want to change the laws and make their way of doing business legal go ahead and do it. Until then they need a big cup of STFU. And I also see no reason they should be able to make their prior actions legal.

Methinks they need to take a big bite out of [****sandwich]

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20....

THE world's financial system really is like a jungle - a realisation that may save it from disaster.

An ecological theorist and the Bank of England's head of stability have teamed up to show that if you apply the mathematical models used in ecology to financial systems, they behave much like ecosystems - with similar risks of collapse. Worryingly, the models bankers now use maximise exactly those risks.

Until the 1970s, ecologists believed that the more complex the ecosystem, the more stable: lose one species and the rest fill in. Then Robert May, now at the University of Oxford, and others showed that such complex systems have critical points at which a change in one species can have dramatic and non-linear effects on others. Losses can propagate, and even cause collapse. The stronger the connections and fewer differences there are among species, the greater the risk.

By substituting various kinds of lending and assets for predation, cooperation and competition, May and banker Andy Haldane show that the global financial system might behave similarly (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature09659). Yet bankers still think like 1960s ecologists, they say.

Banks maximise their connectivity and similarity in an effort to increase stability, when in fact this may do the opposite. Pricing models for financial products called derivatives, central to the 2008 crisis, also wrongly exclude non-linear effects. May and Haldane think more ecological financial models might stave off another crisis.
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Genesis wrote..
Those who argue "Tanks in the Streets" must be charged with making terroristic threats against The United States and The States individually and imprisoned, not coddled and pandered to.


smileysmileysmiley

Thank you for your continued, dogged, effort in spotlighting the ongoing theivery. There IS A RECORD of who screwed whom. Someday it's gonna come in handy.


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Genesis wrote..
But it also doesn't mean that MERS should be able to eviscerate these protections that were put in place to keep people from getting screwed by paying someone who doesn't really own the paper, being unable to get an actual copy of the note they signed marked "PAID IN FULL" when they finish paying off their obligation, or being foreclosed upon by someone who isn't the actual proved-up holder of the debt with a valid and unbroken security interest.


My mom tells a story of she and my dad having a party and burning their original note after they paid it off. Apparently note burning parties were common, but not likely these days.

Per: http://blog.chinkinthearmor.net/wordpres....
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When I was 25 years old I remember receiving a telephone call from my dad asking me to come home for the weekend. Well, that isn’t entirely right, he more or less demanded I come home. He called it a “command performance”.

When I asked him why, he told me he had finished paying the mortgage, was throwing a mortgage burning party and he wanted me to come. It was a great party with all of his friends in attendance. I still remember the applause from everyone as he put the match to the document which signified so many years of his life’s hard work. It was a great moment, very emotional.

Later, in a quiet moment, he confided to me that there was more to the ceremony of burning the mortgage than just noting the passing of an era. You see, as long as that original document was out there, as long as it wasn’t in his hands or “up in smoke”, there was always the risk it could come back and someone could demand payment all over again. By burning it, he made sure that could never happen. The house was his, no one could take it away. But because of the way the Mortgage Electronic Registration Service (MERS) system works, mortgage burning parties don’t happen anymore. The blue ink copy of the mortgage has vanished.

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"modern economics"


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What a f&&&king TOOL.

Take your MODERN ECON-MICS and your bankster criminals and STUFF IT where the sun don't shine you idiot!

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> "but he warned that scoring short-term political points could be the end of affordable housing."

Ha! What dreamworld is this guy in? We JUST went through what happens when the monthly tab is too much, house prices fall. It won't matter if it's due to balance or interest.
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Yep.

That's exactly right - my father burned his when it came back "Paid in Full" too. It was a ritual among homeowners, with good cause.

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Wow. I haven't thought of mortgage burning parties in a long time. Probably because not many ever pays one off anymore. Between moving, upgrading, refinancing....

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Anyone who burns the original note is crazy. I have mine in my safe. Who knows when they will change the law and make a copy acceptable in lieu of an original.


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Mortgages at 30% interest?

GOOD.

That means price goes down since folks only care about the monthly payment, and since mtg interest is still deductible...
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Fixed:
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MERS was designed to make it easy to transfer assignments engage in fraud in modern economics."

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How much more evidence do we need? The truth is completely obvious.

EASILY ACCESSIBLE CREDIT DRIVES PRICES UP.

College wouldn't be expensive if kids couldn't get loans. Homes wouldn't be expensive if everyone had to pay cash. The notion that a decrease in credit availability would be detrimental is absurd.

Jon Prior who wrote that HousingWire article is a dangerous terrorist. He's making threats against the people of the United States, and attempting to illegally subvert the law to bilk the American people and pass the cash to his private interests. The FBI needs to be all over his ass. Where's homeland security?

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My condo is still on the market. If mortgage rates go high enough, I'll owner-finance at a rate below the banks. The condo is nice, the title is clear, and I wouldn't sell the paper. The asset valuation may drop some more, but that is easy enough to make up. Houses may become worth flipping again for investors with the cash and the willingness to finance and hold paper. I can find the RE with clear titles.

Bring it on.
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Funny, the credit unions seem to be able to follow the law without charging credit card rates on mortgages and not paying the President of the Credit Union bonuses that make powerball jackpots look small every year.

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If Talcott Franklin can successfully litigate a case or two in lieu of a settlement, then the entire premise of your "drum beating" will undoubtedly prove the illegitamcy of the chain of title.

Remember the name.
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Tanks in the street?
How can they afford to drive those?
How much would it cost for a tank up their ass?
Add it to my national debt tab. I'm good for it, I promise.

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Quote:
MERS was designed to make it easy to transfer assignments in modern economics.


Quote of the year. smiley

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Paulson was mumbling about tanks in the streets too. Of course he is a great friend of the ChiCom fascists, having made over 200 trips to the Middle Kingdom. Also a big tree hugger. I don't know were these delusionists think tanks are going to obey them. They remind me of post WWI German industrialists aligning themselves with the state.

And, anyways, didn't all these people go to the best schools? Where did they get their legals advice, Google? I bet you dollar to donuts these guy read their compensation contracts to the 'T' and to the penny. Now all of sudden it is a massive oops, which in the past just happens to reward them. Now that it is punishing them, they want to have a re-due. I suppose since they have had Fwank,Dodd,Bush,the Federalies as their personal lap-dancers all these years, you can't blame them for demanding one more for old time sakes. They don't know risk, we got to bail them out. They don't know notes, we got to bail them out. They can't file a two job income tax, you get to be Treasury Sectary. How do you get these jobs? I want one.

Why am I thinking the scene in Scarface....

Tony Montana: Every dog has his day, huh, Mel?
Bernstein: I told him. It didn't make any sense, clipping you when we had you working for us. He wouldn't listen. He got hot tonight, about the broad, you know?
Bernstein: He ****ed up.
Tony Montana: You too, Mel. You ****ed up.
Bernstein: Don't go too far, Tony.
Tony Montana: I not, Mel, you are.
[Tony shoots Bernstein in the gut, he gasps and groans]
Bernstein: ****. You can't shoot a cop!
Tony Montana: Whoever says you was one?
[Tony leans forward, aiming the gun at Bernstein]
Bernstein: Wait a minute! You let me go. I'll fix this up.
Tony Montana: Sure, Mel. Maybe you can hand out yourself one of them first class tickets to the Resurrection.
Bernstein: ****ing punk. Son of a bitch.
[Tony stands up]
Tony Montana: So long, Mel, have a good trip.
Bernstein: **** you!
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Realty Track has an article advocating a national settlement process, take it away from the states approach.

"Is a National Foreclosure Settlement in View?"

http://www.realtytrac.com/content/news-a....


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home loans could become as expensive as credit cards, K&L Gates Partner Laurence Platt said Wednesday.


Great, let that happen and you won't need a ****ing mortgage to buy a home because they will be TRULY AFFORDABLE - as in, people can pay CASH for them.

**** these crooks!

LET THE FAILURE HAPPEN!!!!!

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'zactly ETB. So many people don't get it. Mortgages, and longer term mortgages in particular, benefit NOBODY but banksters and a few other financial services leeches. ****, I'd be happy if typical durations came down to 10 or 15yrs like it used to be, instead of 30. But it's up to J6P to realize this (hey, buddy, don't by that toy now; wait a while and use cash)...and conventional wisdom says....

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the creditor no longer exists when a note becomes securitized. Why? Because the debt has been charged off the creditor's balance sheet in order to capitalize the certificates of the investment trust. In other words, the note was tendered for other consideration (certificates). When a debt instruments inherent value is divested and transferred into another form of marketable security (stocks certificates, bond certificates)the note is destroyed. Both instruments can't exist at the same time for the same debt. The charge off the creditor's balance sheet has exinguished the debt.

Its called derecognition according to GAAP. Tender of the note for other condideration alleges the note is REGISTERED into another recognized marketable shape or form. Generally, when a security instrument is transferred,the transferee will deliver the endorsed instrument to the issuer or its transfer agent, who in turn will issue a new certificate in the transferee's name. UCC article 8 mandates that the issuer REGISTER the transfer. So an issuer of a promissory note that is found to be a security instrument will be obliged to REGISTER the transfer and issue new notes/securities upon a transferee's request. Guess what entity serves this purpose? If your loan has a MIN#, your note has been divested.

So as you can see, there is no note anymore by operation of law. Moreover, there cannot be an agent of nominee granted a capacity to enforce the note. Because the note has been divested and is essentially worthless, the banking interests had no incentive to meticulously archive them. This is why so many lost note affidavits have been used in the foreclosure process. Would-be-creditors have furiously attempted to reverse engineer the securitization process using robosigners and fake documents. All of that is futile because an accounting audit would reveal the destruction of the note and the charge off the creditors balance sheet. The only way a would-be-creditor recaptures the liability is to fraudulently credit bid at foreclosure auction but actually fund the bid with a loan. That would re-establish a basis in the asset and put it back on the balance sheet.

Without knowledge of the creditors identity,the debtor has no way to investigate this. The servicing rights are sold seperately to a debt collector as if the debt still exists, the debtor non the wiser.

creditor = the entity that accounts for the debt on its balance sheet.

Mers = securitization
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I read that article on realtytrac.com. What a mouthpiece. Please sign in and comment. Let those guys know that someone is awake and watching.

Thanks, Kevin.
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Platt admitted there were issues with the system, but he warned that scoring short-term political points could be the end of affordable housing.


Actually that seems to me the BEST way to boost affordable housing. If interest rates go to the moon then home prices race toward values where average homebuyers can pay in cash or small high interest loans. This clown needs to take a basic finance/econ class. Moron!

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