Krugman - Still Proving PhDs Are Worthless
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Posted 2010-12-27 14:13
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Krugman - Still Proving PhDs Are Worthless
 

This is vomit-worthy material...

Oil is back above $90 a barrel. Copper and cotton have hit record highs. Wheat and corn prices are way up. Over all, world commodity prices have risen by a quarter in the past six months.

So what’s the meaning of this surge?

Paul gets so close to getting it right, then, of course, he falls right into the trap.

He goes to assert that this is all about "a finite world" and that "we're just running up against the limits of supply."

Oh really Paul?

One response has been a proliferation of conspiracy theories, of claims that the government is suppressing the truth about rising prices. But lately many on the right have seized on rising commodity prices as proof that they were right all along, as a sign of high overall inflation just around the corner.

Notice the immediate appeal to class-warfare and partisan garbage.

As for conspiracy theories may I ask where?  You mean like the government's PPI numbers, right?  Those are some grand conspiracy?

Or how about the regional Fed indices?  They have consistently shown a widening spread between prices paid and prices received for the last year or so.  That, of course, means that the economic conditions do not support passing through cost increases.

The markets, for their part, seem to think this is grand - for now.  Yet increasing materials cost can only do two things - it can show up in final prices (price inflation) or it can be absorbed (margin destruction.)  Those are the only two possibilities. 

It cannot "disappear", no matter how much you would wish it be so.  There are no candy-crapping Unicorns in the real world and balance sheets always balance.

In particular, today, as in 2007-2008, the primary driving force behind rising commodity prices isn’t demand from the United States. It’s demand from China and other emerging economies. As more and more people in formerly poor nations are entering the global middle class, they’re beginning to drive cars and eat meat, placing growing pressure on world oil and food supplies.

That's true, but irrelevant.

Again, rising input costs can only do two things - raise final prices or destroy margins.

Pick one.

And be careful which you pick, because whether you like it or not, rising prices is exactly what happens when you have a weak currency and import far more than you should, especially when it comes to energy.

The real problem with imports is in the energy area.  See, oil is in (literally) everything.  The computer on your desk?  The monitor has plastic in it - made from oil.  Your cellphone?  Oil.  Your coozie wrapping your drink? Oil. Your synthetic rubber shoe-sole?  Oil.  The food you eat?  Oil, oil and oil (to till, to plant, to cultivate, to harvest, and to move from place of growth through to place of consumption.)

We have spent 30+ years denying that we must develop our own energy infrastructure.  We have lots of oil, both as actual oil and as things convertible to it (specifically coal.)  Getting it and putting it in usable form*****es off the greenies, which includes Krugman.  But the fact is this - high prices solve high prices, and when headline "inflation" is running 10%+ a year due to the push-through of high energy prices into collapsing demand due to the inelasticity of incomes, we will suddenly develop the will to convert coal to oil, to build nuclear plants, and to drill for oil everywhere we have it.

Bet on that, because it will happen.  I'm certain of it.  The problem is that it's likely to happen only when people are hungry enough to eat all the "Greenies."

The real problem is the claims of "pumping liquidity" being a positive for the markets in the intermediate term, and indicating "economic recovery."  They do no such thing.  Krugman says "it still feels like a recession in America."

That's because it is one, you jackass!

All we've done is charge up the credit card to post bogus numbers.  The truth is evident in the statistics from our own Treasury and other government agencies - no "conspiracy theory" required.

But as we do this other nations (and some astute people in the US) are realizing that we're extending our credit as a nation without any credible plan to stop doing that, or (gasp!) pay any of it off.  Rather, we're just running up the bill incessantly, with no evidence of any sort of fiscal constraint, restraint, or even recognition that what we're doing cannot go on forever.

Remember, we were told originally that all these "stimulus" spending-style measures and extraordinary deficits were a "temporary" thing.  That was in 2007.  We're now three years beyond that - into 2010 - and instead of "pulling back" we have instead added another $500 billion, roughly, to our structural deficit for each of the next two years.

Will some of what we have done up until now come out of the system and be reversed? 

It had better, and we had better stop the ZIRP crap right now, because the data up above strongly implies that we're going to continue to play this game right up until every Senior Citizen who saved for retirement (and has gone from a 5% safe return to zero over the last three years) runs out of money and starves.

If we wait too long to do the right thing we will get to deal with a whole bunch of really angry - and hungry - Seniors.

Somehow, I suspect those who have promoted "liquidity forever!" as a "solution" will be the first ones on the BBQ if that time should come.

We'd be wise to make sure it doesn't.

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I asked about 20 people at work who the FED was and what they did. ONE person knew!! These are health care professionals!! Almost no one in US today even understands what the problem is, much less who to blame.

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Krudman - still running interference for his bankster masters.

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The US does NOT have "lots" of oil.

Most of the oil the US was endowed with has been burned.

Production continues to decline because oil fields are being depleted. Alaska north slope oil fields peaked in the 1980s.

Greenies are a scapegoat for declining oil production.
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The US does NOT have "lots" of oil.

Most of the oil the US was endowed with has been burned.

Uh, nope.

Most of the easily-recovered liquid oil has been burned.

There's a literal ****load that we still have. More than Saudi Arabia, in point of fact. You just won't like what has to be done to go get it.

If the price of the Saudi oil is $200/bbl, however, you'll both go get it AND eat the Greenies who claimed we didn't have it.

Unless you ARE one of the greenies, in which case you're what's for dinner.

That you can take to the bank.

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The real problem with imports is in the energy area. See, oil is in (literally) everything. The computer on your desk? The monitor has plastic in it - made from oil. Your cellphone? Oil. Your coozie wrapping your drink? Oil. Your synthetic rubber shoe-sole? Oil. The food you eat? Oil, oil and oil (to till, to plant, to cultivate, to harvest, and to move from place of growth through to place of consumption.)

We have spent 30+ years denying that we must develop our own energy infrastructure. We have lots of oil, both as actual oil and as things convertible to it (specifically coal.) Getting it and putting it in usable form*****es off the greenies, which includes Krugman. But the fact is this - high prices solve high prices, and when headline "inflation" is running 10%+ a year due to the push-through of high energy prices into collapsing demand due to the inelasticity of incomes, we will suddenly develop the will to convert coal to oil, to build nuclear plants, and to drill for oil everywhere we have it.


This is what happens when you have interference from the government in the marketplace. Without such interference, pure supply and demand would have already led to the construction of several dozen (and maybe several hundred) more nukes, to coal liquification, to more drilling and to the development of shale oil deposits. There IS no energy shortage, only a shortage of innovation and investment due to the government interfering with the information delivery mechanism that is The Market.

That's not to say that no government regulation, at all, ever, would be a good thing - it wouldn't, that'd be anarchy. We need, as a nation, a level playing field for economic actors. This means that laws/regulations prohibiting monopolies and other market-distorting behavior (and, of course, ourright corruption) are both necessary and desirable. But we DON'T need bans on oil drilling for entire coastlines, and regulations that make the building and operation of nuke plants so expensive as to be an effective ban (and especially not when the lowly Fwenchies can produce roughly 80% of their electricity with nukes and no accidents, ever). Hell, we should be extracting Thorium from coal and running it through reactors - the Thorium itself has more energy than the coal. I'd also argue for SOME regulation of the level of pollutants (especially the more deadly and/or persistant ones), by means of saying, "get to X level or below, you figure out how because we don't care, and we'll fine your ass a LOT if you don't" - but that's the extent of it). Ditto on worker safety - "get X result, we'll fine you and/or put you out of business if you don't, but figure it out and implement it yourself. In ALL such cases, you allow lawsuits if a company doesn't do what it should, but LOSER PAYS to eliminate frivolous suits (and I'm a lawyer, BTW). Otherwise, dispense with the bureaucracy, it is far more harmful than helpful.

But, alas, we are dealing with the twin religions of Big Government and Environmentalism. The followers of both (and some split their loyalties between those false gods) will never allow such freedom in the marketplace - not until, as Karl mentioned, times get very tough (though I won't eat a greenie - the meat is probably too stringy from lack of B vitamins and good quality protein. I've heard a number of people say, however, that they'd feed the hogs* with them).

* For those who haven't read the book, the reference is from a book entitled, "Unintended Consequences" that has very little to do with finance or economics. Long, but very educational and entertaining (and, as an added enticement to reading it, TPTB hate it with a passion).

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Thorium in coal has something like 12x the thermal energy of the coal (from burning it) itself.

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Vapor wrote..
The US does NOT have "lots" of oil.

Most of the oil the US was endowed with has been burned.
We've got plenty of thorium though: http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepo....
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@ Vapor:

"The US does NOT have "lots" of oil.

Most of the oil the US was endowed with has been burned."

I call BS - we have perhaps 2 trillion (with a "T") barrels of oil locked up with shale in and around Colorado and North Dakota. Send the price of "dino-oil" up enough and reduce senseless regulations enough, and we'll produce oceans of oil, because we're floating on the stuff. FYI, that is roughly the entire amount of oil that's been burned since Col. Drake drilled his well in Pennsylvania in 1859, and roughly 8 times the Saudi reserves.

That doesn't even count the amount of oil recoverable from coal.

Use the market, it works. Shortages are the result of ignoring the market, often times on purpose for some quasi-religious reason (like worship of Big Government or Gaia).

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Unintended Consequences, by John Ross.

Available on Amazon for $239/new, or from $148/used.

SOMEBODY doesn't want me to read it!

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Here's a little fact that says the human race on earth is screwed bigtime sometime in the next 100-250 years max. Suppose we don't touch those 2 trillion barrels in CO/ND for another 2 decades. At that point we'll have approx. 11 billion humans worldwide. In the USA we presently burn about 26 barrels/year per person. Let's suppose the industrial revolution + conservation efforts + alternative sources result in us using just 13 barrels/year per person. At that point in time we'll be consuming 143 billion barrels/year. The CO/ND supply will last the world approx. 13-14 years. So we might be alright for the rest of our lives. But our grandkids? Hmmmmmm.

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To expand on the math in the post I linked to before:

A cubic yard of topsoil weight about a ton (1). Thorium in soil occurs at roughly 6 ppm on average (2). This means every cubic yard of dirt contains 0.2 ounces of thorium.

How much energy is this?

In a molten salt reactor 1 ton of thorium can produce 1 GWe·year (3). This means every cubic yard of dirt contains enough energy to produce 55 MWh of electricity.

What is the equivalent in barrels of oil? Using a conversion factor of 1.7 MWh per barrel (4) gives 32 barrels of oil equivalent.

That's how much energy we are sitting on just in terms of trace thorium in the soil alone. That doesn't even get into all the 10%-30% thorium ores that can be mined or the fly ash from coal plants that's sitting around in landfills.

We're sitting on a virtually unlimited supply of energy and we've had all the knowledge and technology necessary to harness it since the 1960s.

EDIT: To compare this to shale oil, a ton of shale produces about 7 barrels of oil (5). This means we can extract four times as much energy from an average ton of dirt as we can from a ton of oil shale if thorium extraction from soil requires a similar amount of energy as oil extraction from shale.

(1) http://topsoiltips.com/topsoil-weight.ph....
(2) http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/substances/toxs....
(3) http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2010/02....
(4) http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/en....
(5) https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e....

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we have perhaps 2 trillion (with a "T") barrels of oil locked up with shale in and around Colorado and North Dakota.


Look up energy returned on energy invested. While its true that we DO have that much stuff underground, getting it out and into a usable format is the problem. Shale has the approximate energy density of chocolate cake! We have to dig it up, separate and and extract it from the surrounding substrate and distribute it. The problem is that by the time we've done that we've expended more energy than we've harvested.
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@Degaston - Your calculations appear to assume that we'll be sharing the CO/ND deposits with the rest of the world. I doubt that will be happening.
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It's the petrodollar. The oil importing can't be stopped unless another dollar settlement mechanism is found.

We have plenty of fuel and tech for plentiful nuclear energy. Oil is only needed for jet and internal combustion engines. Use nuclear for electricity and save oil for transportation and chemical feedstock.
While we're at it, bring back the electric trolleys that we had 100 years ago. We need neighborhood electric trolleys like St. Charles St. in New Orleans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_....
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Doesn't chocolate cake have a high energy density? Lots of sugar and fat. Sugar is 5648 kJ/mol.

I can guarantee you that if we could mine chocolate cake, converting chocolate cake into ethanol and biodiesel would be more efficient on a energy input/energy output basis than our subsidized biofuel programs.
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11 billion people in 20 years? No way. If current trends continue, world population will never ever hit 10 billion. Even countries like Iran & Mexico are barely at replacement levels of fertility. Europe & Japan are well below replacement. If current trends continue, by the end of the century populations will be plummeting eveywhere.

Karl's main point stands, though: the solution to high prices is high prices.
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Degaston wrote..
Suppose we don't touch those 2 trillion barrels in CO/ND for another 2 decades. At that point we'll have approx. 11 billion humans worldwide.
That will never happen, IMHO.

Eventually, the theories of Reverend Malthus will be proven correct on a global scale. My guess is sometime in the next 5 years or so.

ETA: @Mortgageguy: great minds. . .

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Psst: Somewhere around ~5x sustainable maximum levels of a population "Mother Nature" becomes a "Mother%$cker" and solves the overpopulation problem. This has happened every time through recorded history for every species.

Incidentally, the maximum sustainable population for humans is somewhere between 1 and 1.5 billion individuals.

How do you like those odds on getting to 10 billion humans Sonny?

Ps: Yes, I know, "this time it's different." If you say so.....

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Geschrei wrote..
Eventually, the theories of Reverend Malthus will be proven correct on a global scale.
Do his theories predict this?



Genesis wrote..
Incidentally, the maximum sustainable population for humans is somewhere between 1 and 1.5 billion individuals.
Are you basing that on what is sustainable without supplemental energy sources?

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@TallyStick...
Even if through some new technological innovation you did manage to get production in oil shale to a positive Energy return ratio, you wouldn't be able to scale it in time to sustain business as usual for the US. Especially in the case of a currency collapse.

Consider the oil sand in Alberta. They are much closer to the surface and easier(cheaper) to mine and extract. However, production topped out at 700K barrels per day in 2007. Ramped up at full scale(as in rainbow ****ting unicorn--everything goes according to plan) production might be 5 mil/barrels per day. About 25% of what the US alone consumes.
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Don't forget that there is a tremendous amount of natural gas too. But if Congress, the White House, EPA, States, MMS, and other bureauracracies continue to prevent or deter drilling, fracking, and production then the US will become more and more dependent on foriegn sources. Case in point - I was talking to a friend of mine in the offshore oil services business. He said that their business is still good, except that most of their work moved from the Gulf of Mexico to Africa as that is where many of the drilling rigs went (and the rigs probably aren't ever coming back).

http://www.naturalgas.org/overview/resou....

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Karl, I'm not sure why you even bother addressing an asshat like Krugman. That guy isn't worth your time IMO! His PhD should be revoked.

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Incidentally, the maximum sustainable population for humans is somewhere between 1 and 1.5 billion individuals.


Right! Anyone who actually believes the population is going to continue to grow is smoking the strong stuff. Care to pass that joint Degaston? We are at maximum population right now and the #'s will be dropping in the months & years to come, and rapidly at that....

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Abn: No.

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What's the limiting factor then, if not energy?
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