Here Comes The Coercion! (Wikileaks)
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Posted 2010-12-03 15:02
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Here Comes The Coercion! (Wikileaks)
 

From DemocracyNow:

The U.S. State Department has imposed an order barring employees from reading the leaked WikiLeaks cables. State Department staffers have been told not to read cables because they were classified and subject to security clearances. The State Department’s WikiLeaks censorship has even been extended to university students. An email to students at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs says: "The documents released during the past few months through Wikileaks are still considered classified documents. [The State Department] recommends that you DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter. Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."

Got that?

If you're a student and access this material, you could be barred from any Federal employment.

And by the way, this is not just university students. 

I am aware of (but have not until now reported on) a series of "all-staff" memos that have gone out to all employees of a number of firms that do business with the Federal government, including some classified work, warning that any access to Wikileaks including on personal computers wholly owned by the employee at their home constitutes an event that may result in them being fired and/or having their clearance revoked. 

Needless to say if you have a clearance (and need it to do your job) and it's revoked from an employment perspective you're immediately screwed employment-wise.

This is not limited to one or two firms - it is a widespread  and perhaps even government-wide threat.

Do not believe for a second that people cannot figure out that your computer is in fact your computer and that any sort of "obfuscation" of your identity will be effective.  Reliance on such claims is very foolish.

I have repeatedly caught people who have been banned on my forum and think they're "anonymous" as a consequence of surfing through a proxy or other means of obfuscation of their identity.  

It is frequently possible for me to prove to a degree of certainty that I'm sure would meet at least the standards of evidence in a civil court that the machine involved in the second access is in fact the same computer that was used in the first.

I won't tell you how I do it, but I assure you that I, as a person of reasonable levels of skill in the "dark arts" of Internet processing, am able to do so.

I am absolutely certain that the spookworks folks are similarly competent should they have reason to investigate such a circumstance, and as such these threats must be taken seriously if you are, or ever contemplate, working in a position where access to classified information may be part of your job.

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Corn1945
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Assange must have really good **** to make the gov react the way they have.
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Corn...just what I was thinking...damn the TPTB REALLY want this dude to go away.
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And the difference between the US and China is?

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So does that mean as a US Citizen you could potentially be charged under the Espionage Act for discussing the contents of the files? Or linking to the site? What about newspapers doing the same?

Can O' Worms my Assange has opened for the US... are we to be free or not?

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I had Top Secret clearance as an E3 because I had to carry radio communications to the CO/XO as BM of the watch in the USCG.

This is a joke, right? The government 'boogieman' is going to nail down my name, address and SS# through my IP? OK, bring it. Hell, let me click that Wikileaks link again just for good measure.

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PROBABLY not Jeffrey.

However, you most-certainly could have a clearance revoked (as that's entirely DISCRETIONARY on the part of the government) and if your job depended on that you'd be instantly ****ed.

Bohemian, it's not the IP they use. I will simply observe that if they have the means to intercept the data stream (including seizing the hardware on the other end somehow) they can with a high degree of reliability prove that your computer was on the site.

They can't do it every time - there are times I can't be sure who someone is - but I'm able to get a positive hit often enough, with a possibility of misidentification in the "one in a million or better" range on a surprising percentage of attempts.

I have to assume the spookworks folks are at least as good as I am at this stuff, and I assure you that using a proxy server or even, in many cases, using TOR will not do you a damn bit of good.

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I did the same when catching a risk-officer with his dick in the cookie-jar. It's not easy but it's doable with a certain margin of error.
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So if a news agency or blogger reads the cables and summarizes the information.. that's cool, right? Surely there are enough people out there who have absolutely no interest in security clearance and have a decent grasp of english (and a platform upon which to publish information) such that the leaked information becomes widely disseminated.
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goto internet cafes. pay in cash.

does that mean tickerforum & zerohedge and others will be similarly treated if they post summaries or excerpts of such content. damn that's ****ed up...

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do not looks at the documents, do not share them and dont even ****ing think about them.

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Quote:

PROBABLY not Jeffrey.

However, you most-certainly could have a clearance revoked (as that's entirely DISCRETIONARY on the part of the government) and if your job depended on that you'd be instantly ****ed.


I don't like leaving the Government "PROBABLY"s.. they have a track record of ****ing them over.

The reason why clearance is being revoked is due to the information retaining its "classified" status, if illegally accessing and distributing classified information is a crime (as the Government is repeatedly telling us) then sharing the contents of the Wikileaks cablegate information in any way by a US citizen is technically a Federal Crime.

Ugh.... just... *shudder*

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"PLEASE PEOPLE, do not LOOK OVER HERE, whatever you do DO NOT LOOK HERE, it is considered Confidential, SO DO NOT LOOK HERE"


So basically the government is saying that federal workers need to have a nice coat of wool. Are they allowed to read the Guardian? Or media that reports this story?


So since we already have nice jokes for federal workers, the government wants them to be alienated further from the population.

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They are simply trying to exert what pressure they DO have to suppress the content and yanking security clearances on people who need them for their job is certainly an effective stick...for those people

But I can't help thinking they are trying to get toothpaste back in a tube....ain't happening boys.
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The implied threat against future federal government employment, is only a step removed from a broader step with similar repercussions, which is only a step removed from involuntary confinement.

I haven't seen any 'all-staff' memos yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't coming down the pipe.

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Quote:
So does that mean as a US Citizen you could potentially be charged under the Espionage Act for discussing the contents of the files? Or linking to the site? What about newspapers doing the same?


If that Lieberman anti-Wikileaks laws passes, you bet. Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect ... If you send out a link with a name, you just violated Federal espionage law. See you in 25 years. Maybe Lieberman should amend it to execution by firing squad. God knows the prisons are full enough.

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http://gawker.com/5705492/library-of-con....

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The Library of Congress has blocked access to the Wikileaks site on its staff computers and on the wireless network that visitors use, two sources tell TPM.

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So, if I look at something that gov was unable to safeguard then I'm bad for looking?

Never mind the question(s) of ought the material to have been properly classified to begin with (damaging as opposed to merely embarrassing) ... never mind the question(s) of how are they able to so effectively keep track of who is looking at their leaked material but somehow couldn't keep the material "safe" to begin with, etc.

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It is crap like this that will create an alternative internet. The more they try to reach at the hanging fruit the further it will get from them.



It is okay if the Saudi King knows this stuff... you on the other hand will be flogged and stripped of your job. No reprecusions to the jerks in the leaks, just those that are reading it.

In a nutshell: The government is allowed to do bad things and lie, that in itself is not a problem, YOU BEING AWARE of the bad deeds is.



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What is wikileaks? Never heard of it...

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whoa nelley and holy ****ing **** batman

Karl, very, vey kind of you to point that out and help, obviously you did not have to take time to do that smiley
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So Karl,

What are your thoughts on moving the forums to partial or full encryption?

Make it a bit harder for the spooks to tap forum traffic?

Off-topic I know, so feel free to tell me to take a raincheck on the topic...

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I have a clearance and there is no effing way I am going to read that stuff. Reading classified info without a need to know is a violation and subject to clearance revocation. Nobody has said anything here about avoiding it but I'm not taking any chances with my job. Technically, if anyone were to look at it from a DoD computer it should be considered a security event since no classified info should ever exist on niprnet. I expect to see some sort of directive from above on this several days/weeks after it's out of the news cycle. That's about the speed these things move.
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Release the 'Collateral Murder' video... Government does nothing.
Release the Afghanistan War logs.... Government does nothing.
Release the Iraq War logs.... Government does nothing.
Begin Releasing the Cablegate cables... Government does nothing.

Reveal that your next target is a "Large US Bank"... Government FREAKS THE **** OUT.

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This got serious, the government workers want to create a black list with cattle that don't behave, when the cattle would need to create a list with the government/public sector workers and ban them from the private sector or from the local communities/activities.

It's time to add WikiLeaks to my donation list and to start working on a similar project.

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