OMG, if this topic wasn't so dangerous for our kids, I think I would laugh at the absurdity. How is it that someone with these kinds of issues is on the gov't payroll and ASSIGNED WITH MY and MY CHILD'S SAFETY??

These people are high school drop outs. What could go wrong?

I hate to do this because I know how unpopular this will be given the comments already posted concerning TSA but I feel obligated to say something. All a background check can do is identify individuals who have committed crimes in the past. It does not predict future behavior. TSA has over 45000 employees who have passed background checks and if any of them are arrested, their employment can be terminated depending on the severity of the crime. I’m disappointed that the actions of an individual are being used to smear the entire organization.

FYI...obscure forum bug here...the link doesn't work for those of us on censored mode, because the word******is replaced with **** in the URL. no biggie, but thought you might like to know. Censored words in the URL don't work. (not sure why******is a censored word to begin with).

"I’m disappointed that the actions of an individual are being used to smear the entire organization."


Drillerzx, been to a major airport lately?

Here is another one:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/ora....

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TSA has over 45000 employees who have passed background checks and if any of them are arrested, their employment can be terminated depending on the severity of the crime.

Do you read the news much? Government employees don't get fired like us lowly private sector blood bags. Especially when they assault someone, like grabbing a few finger fulls of 13-year-old labia, which is happening RIGHT NOW.

Osama Bin Laden has got to be laughing his ass off in whatever cave he's calling home this week.

jeebus

Flying is a privilege not a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Anyone entering a screening checkpoint does so voluntarily and by doing so, gives their permission to be screened. Passengers give their consent by presenting themselves and/or their property at the start of the screening process. All of those signs posted outside the checkpoint inform the passenger that screening will take place so they cannot say that they are surprised when it happens. Because the screening process is voluntary, the passenger can withdraw their consent at any time. If they do withdraw their consent, they cannot proceed through the checkpoint so they must exit back out into the unsecured area. Very few people make this decision so when it does happen, a local law enforcement officer must be present to escort the individual out.

Drillerzx, I work for one of the world's largest corporations. I have to travel about once a year to work on a hemisphere-wide project. You are telling me that I have to get my balls and ******* fingered by a high school drop out in order to keep my job? Seriously? **** you.

The fact that you could justify government-sanctioned sexual assault, while knowing that such procedures are ineffective anyway towards reaching the stated goal and thus illogical, makes you a complete waste of skin.

Thank you for not disappointing me. Personally, I would like TSA to give the flying public the choice of getting on board an aircraft where everyone has been screened or boarding one on which no one has been screened. When both planes take off, natural selection will do the rest.

Tell me this:

How many other countries deem it 'necessary' to have this type of screening?

Driller, If you want to haggle away my natural rights, which were only written out for your convenience in the Bill of Rights, then I've got plenty more for you. Inalienable rights are non-negotiable and you should start to learn that fact now.

As I've pointed out here before, I flew many times back and forth to Germany in the 1970s-1980s when my dad worked for the DoD. This was at a time when international unrest and terrorism threats were much greater than we have now. The procedures used then (dogs, metal detectors, bag searches) were still very effective and did not abridge my rights. Millimeter wave machines and grabbing the genitals of children are not necessary. If you think they are, then you're a cancer on this country.

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I would like TSA to give the flying public the choice of getting on board an aircraft where everyone has been screened or boarding one on which no one has been screened.

Typical logical fallacy that .gov apologists so love.

How about, give us the choice between an aircraft where everyone has been screened, and one where everyone has been profiled for being likely to have a bomb shoved up their ******* where the screening machine can't see? Then see which flight fills up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilem....

Here's a good video from airplane 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5BPK_XzH....

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Because the screening process is voluntary, the passenger can withdraw their consent at any time. If they do withdraw their consent, they cannot proceed through the checkpoint so they must exit back out into the unsecured area.

Drillerzx:
BULL****.
The TSA is threatening to fine a traveler (John Tyner) $11,000 right now for declining and leaving the airport. According to them, once you show up your rights are already waived. You "must" complete the screening, whether you decide to take the flight or not.

Further, your argument that there is no "Constitutional Right" to fly is crap as well.
Show me where in the Constitution the TSA has a "Right" to fondle a child?
Children are not old enough to enter into a "valid" contract. So, for a TSA Agent to even touch them under the basis of a contract is wrong.
Additionally, Rights are supposed to inalienable.
Show me probable cause and you may have a case. But without probable cause we DO HAVE A ****ING RIGHT TO FLY WITHOUT BEING MOLESTED.
Look up the Fourth Amendment.

Let me guess... You're a Gov employee?
TSA?

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Tell me this:

How many other countries deem it 'necessary' to have this type of screening?

Zero AFAIK. I've travelled from/to at least 10 different European countries plus China and it didn't happen anywhere. The most they do is use a manual metal detector on you if the automatic one beeps (i.e. if you forgot any coins, or are wearing a thick belt etc.). No one ever grabbed my balls or anything like that.

Eric0919:

"Flying is a privilege not a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Anyone entering a screening checkpoint does so voluntarily and by doing so, gives their permission to be screened."

No. I refuse.

It's the TSA that will comport to us. Not the obverse.

I don't have to go through this in *China*.

Think about that for a month...

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I hate to do this because I know how unpopular this will be given the comments already posted concerning TSA but I feel obligated to say something. All a background check can do is identify individuals who have committed crimes in the past. It does not predict future behavior. TSA has over 45000 employees who have passed background checks and if any of them are arrested, their employment can be terminated depending on the severity of the crime. I’m disappointed that the actions of an individual are being used to smear the entire organization.

I hate to do this but I've worked on a sensitive project before and so do and have a number of my friends. One of them is a CURRENT DSS employee (yes, badge and all.)

The background checks available for ACTUAL secure work are not just computer checks through NICS. They involve actual interviews and, well, REAL background checks!

There is NO entity more interested in the safety of air travel than the airlines. Not only are they exposed to massive lawsuits if they screw up but in addition it's their ******n airplane that gets blown up and they're EXPENSIVE.

In addition if there WERE terrorists that wanted to blow up people the TSA couldn't do DICK about it and both YOU and THEY know it.

How come?

Because there is nothing to prevent a person from walking into the airport OUTSIDE THE STERILE AREA, getting in line (at the ticket counter or to be screened) AND THEN BLOWING THEMSELVES UP.

That would create a ****load of terror. After all, that's the point of terrorism, right? To terrorize!

That it hasn't happened says one thing loud and clear and that statement is irrefutable:

There aren't any ****ing terrorists willing to die to commit terrorism in our air travel system on this particular day - and on every day prior back to 9/11.

Further, the underwear bomber didn't have a valid passport and visa for travel. Why don't you explain why An Agent of the US ****ing Government let him on the plane? We're TOLD the TSA has manifests before the flight leaves and knows who's on board. That worked out really well with the guy that stuffed a bunch of PETN down his pants and didn't have a VALID PASSPORT ON HIM, eh?

Notice how the US Government won't take responsibility for ITS ****up in overriding the rules for international travel to the US, just like it didn't on 9/11 when the FBI had multiple reports from the Florida flight school about people who didn't want to know how to LAND an airplane? Or shall we talk about how most of the 9/11 terrorist were on expired VISAs (which you NEVER ****ING RAN DOWN.)

Internecine fighting between agencies is so nice especially when it gets people killed. If you fine folks in DC and Langley would have quit having ejaculation contests between your agencies and instead had done your ******n jobs, along with cutting the political correctness bull**** in favor of actual profiling, ejecting overdue VISA holders and not letting people on planes to the US without an actual valid passport and visa there would have been no 9/11 and no underwear bomber either.

El-Al, an airline operating in a place where there really ARE a lot of terrorist who really DO want to blow up planes, hasn't lost one yet by doing exactly that, and they don't play "fondle the passenger's nuts" either.

But instead of the agencies responsible eating the justly-served crow for their own ****ups - and the death of 3,000 Americans - you instead lash out against Americans' civil rights.

I knew the TSA was horse**** when it was first constituted and I asked a simple question of the TSA shortly after it came into being, having suffered under horse**** so-called "service" that included having my checked luggage riffled through (with items stolen) and in one case literally destroyed by America Worst. You see, I was in the ******n air several times a WEEK for years in the 1990s and I was under the impression that the TSA was actually going to IMPROVE one area of service - that is, the custody of my luggage from point "A" to point "B" without it being riffled through and having my dress shoes and ties literally stolen from the bag.

The question was this:

WILL YOU FINANCIALLY COMPENSATE ME IF SOMEONE STEALS MY LUGGAGE WHILE IT IS IN THE SECURE AREA OF THE AIRPORT, OR STEALS SOMETHING FROM MY LUGGAGE?

Answer: NO.

That made it clear to me. The TSA is and was nothing other than a ****ING JOKE as it will not provide assurances, backed up by government money, that THE SO-CALLED STERILE AREA OF THE AIRPORT WILL MANAGE TO CONVEY MY CHECKED BAG FROM THE COUNTER TO THE CAROUSEL WITHOUT SOMEONE STEALING THINGS OUT OF IT, TAMPERING WITH IT, OR JUST STEALING THE WHOLE ****ING BAG!

If you can take something out you can put something in - including a bomb.

If you won't guarantee the security of my luggage while it is in YOUR possession and under YOUR screening regime then your claim of security is a bull-****ing-**** lie as you won't back up your claim with the government wallet.

Quit horse****ting the American People.

WE'RE TIRED OF IT, YOU WENT TOO FAR THIS TIME, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH IT ANY MORE.

PERIOD.

Drillerzx is either a ****ing troll or mental retard. If what the TSA is doing makes him feel safe, my only question is how does he find his way to the airport?

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I would like TSA to give the flying public the choice of getting on board an aircraft where everyone has been screened or boarding one on which no one has been screened.

That's word for word what that TSA *******, Pistole, said at least two times during his hearing today.

Drillerzz ... you've been a member of TF for over a year, and yet your only posts (all 3 of them) have been in the last 4 hours on this subject?

Just who are you?

I know the answer to that question