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Cobradriver
Posts: 90
Incept: 2009-08-04
Port Charlotte,Fl
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Karl,
Been with my compnay 17 years(trucking). 3 weeks ago budget freezes and cuts were mandated like I have never seen.
I'm guessing our shippers were telling us beforehand we were going to see freight drops...we are/were trying to get out front of the reductions.
Chris
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Chemist
Posts: 5
Incept: 2010-09-22
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You have been beating the margin depression drum for a while, and I completely agree with you that this has been coming for some time. However, don't you think that the problem businesses appear to be having pushing costs through to consumers highlights the deflationary pressure in the economy now? And if so, doesn't this confirm the central thesis of and rationale for QE?
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Genesis
Posts: 130779
Incept: 2007-06-26
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So causing something then confirms the rationale for doing more of it?
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Erica712
Posts: 1910
Incept: 2009-03-16
Central FL
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Didn't I see something recently that Kraft and a few other big brands are planning price hikes? Seems like they are opting to try pushing costs through, but good luck with rising gas prices crowding out our purchasing power!
I still think the other shoe is about to drop in terms of state/ local gov't job cuts. Anyone whose pay depends directly or indirectly on state government funds had better be implementing a "plan B" right about now. I know we are as teachers here in FL and my brother is too (Jacksonville) - he's in hydrogeology and his company says probabably no work in less than 12 months as funds dry up.
We appear to be in the eye of the hurricane so to speak.
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Photopro
Posts: 638
Incept: 2008-03-18
Banned for spam signature
Banned
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Chemist - Looks like you have a lot of reading(catching up) to do. KD has plenty of info in the tickers that explain why QE does not and will not work.
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Snowman
Posts: 1798
Incept: 2009-03-09
avoiding yellow snow
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to me, at least, the interesting money quote was: "In a series of supplementary questions, respondents were asked about cash holdings and debt financing. A majority of respondents reported that they expected their outstanding debt levels to remain unchanged over the next year; of those firms that expected a change in debt levels, the number anticipating a decline somewhat exceeded the number expecting an increase. In response to a question about current cash holdings, 35 percent of firms said that they were currently holding higher than usual (excess) cash balances, while just 22 percent indicated that their cash balances were lower than usual. Moreover, looking ahead to the next twelve months, a sizable 42 percent of respondents expected their cash holdings to increase, whereas fewer than half that number expected cash balances to decline. Finally, when asked how they planned to finance capital spending over the next year, respondents indicated that they would use cash to finance nearly 60 percent of expenditures."
Bottom line, no growth because they aren't planning to borrow more, and they aren't planning major investments either, but sitting on cash for two reasons: to use to pay down debt, and to use to fund margin squeeze. This is pretty amazing given the low interest rates (and expected flattening of the yield curve). Ie, I sense strong hunkering down.
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Hogman
Posts: 7874
Incept: 2008-02-18
Derby City, USA
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Quote:the problem businesses appear to be having pushing costs through to consumers highlights the deflationary pressure in the economy surely you jest
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Particenens
Posts: 9669
Incept: 2008-01-16
Peak Bund
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charts inside http://www.philadelphiafed.org/research-....Fourth Quarter 2010 Survey of Professional Forecasters Release Date: November 15, 2010 Forecasters Predict Further Slowdown in Economic Recovery The pace of recovery in output and employment in the U.S. economy looks a little slower now than it did three months ago, according to 43 forecasters surveyed by the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. The panel expects real GDP to grow at an annual rate of 2.2 percent this quarter, down from the previous estimate of 2.8 percent. On an annual-average over annual-average basis, the forecasters predict slower real GDP growth in 2010, 2011, and 2012. However, some of that downward revision will be compensated with a stronger real GDP growth in 2013. The forecasters see real GDP growing 2.7 percent in 2010, down from their prediction of 2.9 percent in the last survey. The forecasters predict real GDP will grow 2.5 percent in 2011, 2.9 percent in 2012, and 3.0 percent in 2013. The forecasters also predict weaker recovery in the labor market. Unemployment is projected to be an annual average of 9.7 percent in 2010, before falling to 9.3 percent in 2011, 8.7 percent in 2012, and 7.9 percent in 2013. These estimates are higher than the projections in the last survey. On the employment front, the forecasters have revised downward the growth in jobs over the next four quarters. The forecasters see nonfarm payroll employment growing at a rate of 86,600 jobs per month this quarter and 104,200 jobs per month next quarter. The forecasters’ projections for the annual average level of nonfarm payroll employment suggest job losses at a monthly rate of 56,100 in 2010. Job gains in 2011 are seen averaging 105,500 per month, as the table below shows. (These annual-average estimates are computed as the year-to-year change in the annual-average level of nonfarm payroll employment, converted to a monthly rate.)......................
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A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain
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Visualcsharp
Posts: 343
Incept: 2009-12-19
Round Rock, TX
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I just *love* how forecasters magically "see" or "predict" things happening two or three years from now. And yet these seers' visions are simply reported as if they were inevitable. Where is the call for proof? When have these people ever been right? I imagine them sitting in a conference room somewhere drawing random lines on a whiteboard and then reporting those trends. People get *paid* to do this?
Maybe it's been like this as long as humans could communicate, but it seems like nowadays our culture has a sick obsession with trying to predict the future. There seems to be very little of looking to the past for wisdom.
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Whewt
Posts: 2295
Incept: 2008-03-17
Lake Bonneville Shoreline!
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So is the QEII "recovery model" based on skyrocketing food and commodity prices and consumers being forced to pay for it on credit cards?
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Except for the math, it's all going to work out.
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Spanktron9
Posts: 2784
Incept: 2009-03-13
Reality.
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Quote: I still think the other shoe is about to drop in terms of state/ local gov't job cuts.
^^^^^^^This. Just saw Meredith Whitney again on CNBS last week. She has dropped the 1-2 million public sector job losses by Q2 2011. And is now just saying 2 million. Also, she is believing that housing takes another leg down immediately. All in spite of QE2.
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Hogman
Posts: 7874
Incept: 2008-02-18
Derby City, USA
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Chemist
Posts: 5
Incept: 2010-09-22
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Hogman and Gen,
I'm not saying that QE was designed to create margin compression. It was developed in part to curb deflation/disinflation (sorry, I don't buy all the Fed conspiracy theories some people here seem to believe). The fact that input costs aren't being passed along means that there is little demand from the final consumer except at a lower or static price. So yes, margin compression is indeed a sign that deflationary pressure is real (see part about WEAK AGGREGATE DEMAND above). That doesn't mean that I think QE will work or that I support it, and frankly, that isn't even close to what I wrote. If either one of you would like to point out a valid economic argument as to why margin compression is in fact inflationary, I am all ears. Of course, it wouldn't be acceptable to argue what might happen *if* costs begin to get passed along, since that isn't what we are seeing so far in these regional Fed surveys.
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Genesis
Posts: 130779
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I didn't say it was inflationary. I said that the effect of QE2 is in fact margin collapse and that in turn will destroy the middle class and deepen the depression by increasing, not decreasing, unemployment.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Corn1945
Posts: 4167
Incept: 2009-04-30
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The most frustrating thing is the mother ****ing equity levitation! This turd will not flush!
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Genesis
Posts: 130779
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Oh yes it will Corn..... 
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Mo
Posts: 12158
Incept: 2007-06-26
Pa.
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Here's today's news on Bloomberg: Quote:U.S. Factory Production Rises by Most in Three Months By Courtney Schlisserman - Nov 16, 2010 2:36 PM GMT Nov. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Wholesale costs in the U.S. rose less than forecast in October, reflecting declines in prices of cars, trucks and computers. The producer price index climbed 0.4 percent from the prior month, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The so-called core measure, which excludes food and energy costs, decreased 0.6 percent. Bloomberg's Michael McKee reports. (Source: Bloomberg) Factory production in the U.S. increased in October by the most in three months, signaling industries continue to support the U.S. economic recovery.
Manufacturing rose 0.5 percent after a 0.1 percent increase in September that was previously reported as a 0.2 percent drop, figures from the Federal Reserve showed today. Total production was little changed, restrained by the biggest drop in utility use in six months that was probably caused by unseasonably mild temperatures last month.
Gains in exports and business investment may keep assembly lines churning, just as the initial spark from the need to rebuild inventories wanes. The increases in global demand that benefitted companies like General Electric Co. and helped lift the economy gave American consumers time to repair finances and resume spending, leading to a more balanced recovery.
“We’re starting to see upward momentum,” said Jim O’Sullivan, global chief economist at MF Global Ltd. in New York. “The data are consistent with growth reaccelerating in the fourth quarter.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-16....
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