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Karlmarxghost
Posts: 4148
Incept: 2009-01-26
I'm Your Huckleberry
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I know a lot of people can't stand Matt Taibbi because of his left leanings, but I like the guy. This piece should be spread en masse. You heard me talk about the pension issue on another thread, this whole scam was invented to find a way to rob the peoples pension, the peoples wealth that they worked for decades to save for. That is 100% what this scam was all about. It was never intended to succeed, it was intended to succeed long enough till they got the lions share of everyones pension. George Carlin coming back from the dead...
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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Thanks KD - that's about as plainly as you can put it.
Anyone who stands for this being done to their neighbors and their country, and doesn't take personal, concrete action steps (beyond merely commenting on this forum), is a fool.
I am not talking about violence or revolution - there are many legitimate action steps one can take.
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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Tesla
Posts: 15543
Incept: 2008-04-03
State of Disbelief
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If I had a mortgage that was securetized, I'd quit paying...right after any asset I had left disappeared.
Why the hell is ANYONE paying on a securetized mortgage ?
Folks, move your non-pension assets out of the way or get in cash, and STOP PAYING THE SCAM MORTGAGE !!!!!
The only way to stick it to the fraudsters is to stop enabling them.
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"Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked." -Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
"Neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." -Samuel Adams
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Stemmit
Posts: 4071
Incept: 2007-09-07
NYS
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Gen, thanks for another great Ticker!
One reason for no indictments: The 'indicters' are afraid- they are scared as hell to tip the statues quo in any way. This cowardice is due to simple protection of their jobs/salaries/status.
For those who can prosecute, the fear of short term personal consequences prevets any action.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will execute great v
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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Tesla said: Quote:If I had a mortgage that was securetized, I'd quit paying...right after any asset I had left disappeared.
Why the hell is ANYONE paying on a securetized mortgage ? You may want to save a substantial amount of assets to enable you to legally fight the inevitable foreclosure(s) attempts?
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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Psquared
Posts: 1876
Incept: 2008-10-11
SE USA
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A friend of mine worked for a large regional bank securitizing loans and mortgages. He barely graduated from college but in the late 90s and early 2000s - up until 2008 - he was making $1mm a year doing this. His job before working for the investment arm of this bank was selling men's suits.
The commissions for mortgage originators and securitizers were incredible thus the incentive for fraud (its always money isn't it?) was there and everyone was making a fortune.
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"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other." ~ John Adams
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Themortgagedude
Posts: 8853
Incept: 2007-12-17
saint louis
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peurile - That's two times this week I've heard that word. Karl Denninger and Jake's girlfriend on Two and a Half Men. Maybe I should look it up and know the meaning if its gonna become a common word in todays culture. I thought it meant childish, but I'm guessing since KD is using it that it has a far more sinister meaning. 
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I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth.
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Tesla
Posts: 15543
Incept: 2008-04-03
State of Disbelief
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Quote:You may want to save a substantial amount of assets to enable you to legally fight the inevitable foreclosure(s) attempts? Yes, to a point, but more importantly so there's nothing they can come back at you after the foreclosure, ie recourse for deficiency. Let 'em take the damn house - after a few million more do this, all house values will be lying in the dust and you use those saved assets later to buy a house for cash. That's why you "remove" the assets that might be at risk if you have a judgment against you, or need to file BK as a result. Why let your ass-ets hang out where the banksters can pick them off ?
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"Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked." -Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
"Neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." -Samuel Adams
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Gates
Posts: 6276
Incept: 2008-01-29
Scottsdale
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Schoolsout
Posts: 42
Incept: 2008-06-29
Awendaw, South Carolina
Banned
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I email a lot of info pertaining to all of this to a local radio morningshow host (one of my old teachers) and he has brought it up once with the stock broker that is featured for 5-10 mins in the AM. Broker guy says this is nothing....Radio guy thinks I wear tinfoil around everywhere I go (somewhat jokingly, though).
The fact is nobody talks about this except for people not on the radar and because of that, it is considered "bunk."
I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it seems that 99% of the population do not give a damn about anything.
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Mdm
Posts: 333
Incept: 2010-10-13
South Florida
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Quote:The only way to stick it to the fraudsters is to stop enabling them. So long as the Federal Reserve exists in its current form, the fraudsters will continue to be enabled.
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Shanearthur
Posts: 85
Incept: 2010-03-12
na
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Hey Karl,
I have a mortgage through BOA. I'm wondering what happens to it when BOA detonates. Are you familiar with typical procedure in such an instance? Obviously, some organization will transfer(sell) it to some other organization, and I'm assuming I will have no say in the matter.
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Jwm_in_sb
Posts: 1042
Incept: 2009-04-16
California Desert
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They don't give a damn because a large number of them are still hoping / thinking that house prices are going to start rising 10 to 20% a year again. No, really. There are still quite a number of idiots who think and want that to start again. This won't stop until those people finally realize that it is not going to happen or at least not without decimating their wages.
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Bluebird
Posts: 1381
Incept: 2008-05-02
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Schoolsout said "I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it seems that 99% of the population do not give a damn about anything."
Lots of reasons, my siblings are perfect examples...they all have very good jobs, make excellent money, have professional financial planners, buy whatever they want, live in McMansions, are millionaires, have expensive hobbies, take exotic vacations, etc.
When they have no money, no cash, no credit, no financial portfolio, and are hungry, then they will pay attention.
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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Tesla: Shhhhhhh - keep it on the down low. A plan that will actually work should remain discreet.  The msm or the banks, will NEVER admit or publicize the growing number of americans pursuing such a course. Pull the pin. Starve the beast. Quit praying and take action. (that last ones from the bible) 
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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Psquared
Posts: 1876
Incept: 2008-10-11
SE USA
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Most people don't want to face the facts because it would force them to accept something completely dissonant with their view of the world around them and their own little corner of it. They just want to be left alone with their Volvos, SUVs and weekend cottage on the lake.
I had this discussion with some well educated and wealthy cousins at a birthday dinner back in August. We were discussing mark to market rules and one cousin, who is very bright, said that a banker friend told her that changing this rule was the best thing to happen in the last two years.
My response was, "yeah, because it probably saved them from insolvency." The blank expression I got back and the immediate change of the subject to someone's grandchild told me they just didn't want to hear.
That is pretty typical. If you have a vested interest (wealth) in the current ponzi system your entire being will be focused on defending your view of the world - that being, that this is just a bump in the road and everything will be fine very soon.
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"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other." ~ John Adams
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Steelhead23
Posts: 2043
Incept: 2008-09-09
Portland OR
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Ever feel like you've slipped down the rabbit hole? As in, we're all being robbed of our futures and yet many of us like the robbers. Why? Well, those very same robbers made the value of their houses sky, they loaned them money at very low rates to buy that Camaro they always wanted and they gave them tax breaks for borrowing more than they should have. What's not to like? Isn't America grand?
America, real America is dead.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" —Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild Benjamin Bernanke For-profit commercial banks are a menace and should be eradicated
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Jwm_in_sb
Posts: 1042
Incept: 2009-04-16
California Desert
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Yeah Psquared but it is because a lot people don't really understand the implications of "insolvency". It is an abstract concept for most so they ignore it. Hence the glazed looks.
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Psquared
Posts: 1876
Incept: 2008-10-11
SE USA
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The way things are and the way people believe (or want to believe) create a phenomena called, "cognitive dissonance." The mind will fight to maintain a delusion or a fabrication in order to maintain the ego's reality. Any fact that contradicts those beliefs will be ignored or rationalized.
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"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other." ~ John Adams
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Karlmarxghost
Posts: 4148
Incept: 2009-01-26
I'm Your Huckleberry
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Wow I just completely read the article. The **** gets intense on pages 4 and 5. This is a long read but well worth it. People need to get over the notion that "the deadbeat homeowners deserve what they are getting"
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My views are my view and mine alone. Karl or ticker forum does not endorse or necessarily agree with my views. DO not trade on my views or take them personally.
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Jal
Posts: 513
Incept: 2009-03-25
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Agree, I have been saying for the last two years, The banks robbed all of the funds. Quote:“Not only were you ripped off but worse, the banks who did it not only robbed you once on your house, but robbed your pension fund on the back end!” I disagree with, Quote:“The banks are insolvent. Bankrupt. Kaput. Period.” Instead, I would say, They would be IF THE LAW WAS FOLLOWED. JAL
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Sushihorn
Posts: 7802
Incept: 2007-10-22
Arlington, TX
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Because of his politics, some of Tabibi's prescriptions are problematic. However, he is often dead on correct about the problem itself. And that viewpoint is what allows him to appeal to a group of people that would be far less likely to accept the same evidence presented from a free market or rule of law perspective. Tabibi mixes some of the later with a leftist "social justice" POV in a way that is persuasive to adherents of that ideology.
We need to punish the banks and other criminals. I welcome those who would enforce the law even if their reasons for doing so are different from mine.
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