To The States And The People: Stop The Madness
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Posted 2010-10-25 11:31
by Karl Denninger
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To The States And The People: Stop The Madness
 

You have the power.

To The States:

During The Depression, States put "hard stop" foreclosure moratoriums on banks and other institutions that were attempting the same sort of thing that is being done now.  Florida in fact still has a law on the books that permits the bondholders to petition the court to set up a creditors committee, redirecting all payments through the Court Clerk until issues of standing are resolved.  This was put in place in the aftermath of the famous "Swampland" fiascos in this state.

Since land title issues are issues of State Law, the States have the power to put a stop to this crap.  They have the power to declare that judicial or not, foreclosures without hard proof of standing and conveyance may not proceed. 

Real property - the family home - is the bedrock of American Society.  While it is true that most of the people being foreclosed upon and evicted did not pay, what is also true and now documented by statements made under oath is that The Banks intentionally loaned people money they knew they could not pay back.  This, under long-standing precedent both in common law and in fact recognized in the UCC, makes the debt avoidable. 

This is not about free houses.  It is about the rule of law.  Our federal government has studiously refused to act as required by that law when it comes to safety, soundness and prudence in lending matters by our nationally-chartered banks. 

But the matter of land titles and security interests in them is a matter of state law.

The States must act - right here and now - in the following fashion:

  • All foreclosures must be stayed until the following procedure is completed.

  • All entities seeking to foreclose, irrespective of whether it is a judicial state or not, must come to court and prove up the provenance of their foreclosure.  Specifically, they must be forced to prove all of the following:

    • They are the actual holder in due course of the note, and can prove it with the original paperwork containing all allonges and endorsements from the originator to themselves.

    • All those endorsements were made in due course of business, and not now as a "backdated" event in an attempt to mislead the justice system.

    • The note, at the time it was originated, was negotiated in good faith.  That is, it did not violate the implied covenant of fair dealing and there was a reasonable expectation that the terms of the note as originally drawn could be complied with to completion.  This means that the original loan file in total must be presented to the court and subject to challenge by the debtor as to its provenance; the debtor must be given the opportunity to show that the debt is avoidable under the Uniform Fraudulent Transfer Act or violation of the implied covenant of fair dealing that attaches to all contracts and cannot be waived.  Since we now know due to under-oath testimony that Citibank's chief underwriter knew and reported that 60% of all origination was defective in 2006 and 80% in 2007, there is a strong presumption that loans made in these years, at minimum, breached this covenant.

If all of these cannot be shown, then the foreclosure must be avoided.  This will not, in most cases, result in a free house.  If the note is not actually owned and properly endorsed by the party claiming a security interest, then they cannot foreclose at all, and the real party at interest will have to step forward.  If that real party is a securitizer (or an originator who is bust, and their successor or bankruptcy trustee holds the paper) then they must come to seek the remedy desired.  If they have been paid in full then the MBS trust who was defrauded (who believed he had the note but in fact does not) must first pursue recovery of the funds from the securitizer or originator, so as to restore that party's standing.  Once they have done so they can come to court and run the same three-step gauntlet.

If the note cannot be proved up to have met the covenant of fair dealing in the inducement then the debt is avoidable and must be so-ruled.  This too does not result in a free house, but it does result in the debtor being released from the debt without damage to their credit.  They lose their home, but they never really owned it anyway.  The creditor is left with the home, but has no suit-at-law to recover from the debtor, since he dealt with the consumer in bad faith.

There is precedent for this - a very similar thing was done during The DepressionState and local governments refused to evict and told citizens to stay in their homes, "foreclosure" or not.  With no ability to evict the madness stopped until the truth of the claims made could be sorted out.  This must occur - we are not and will not get honesty from Washington; it must come from the State and Local governments.

 

To The People:

You must make it known to your state and local governments that this is what you demand.  You must get them to back you, not the big financial institutions.  This will likely mean, at some point, civil disobedience - that is, refusing to leave when allegedly "evicted."  It means enlisting your local county Sheriffs, who you vote for in less than two weeks.

It means enlisting your County Commissions, pointing out that if they side with you, and not the brigands, their tax revenue will continue - but if they don't, it will not. 

It means enlisting your neighbors, so they understand what's going on, who destroyed their neighborhoods (the big banks - not you and your neighbors themselves.)

And it will mean organizing boycotts - refusing to do business with anyone who presents a check from one of the big banks, refusing to do business with a local business that uses one of the big banks to process their credit card transactions or clear checks, in favor of those local businesses that use local, legitimate, honest banking institutions.

 

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I'm going to get busy sending this to my local sheriffs and AGs and state Governors of the two states where I own property.

Maybe the local courts will be smarter or more honest than the federal courts.

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Karl, good luck with this. I'd love to be proven wrong and that Americans will do something about the TBTF banks usurping the laws of the land but I think that type of American is only in the history books now.
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No, the proper word is "avoidable". That's the correct word - it means being able to "avoid" having the debt (in this case) stick to you.

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What has always disturbed me about this issue is the appraisal issue. Most people buying a home ( especially for the first time or if they are moving from another town) are not familiar with the local real estate market. They rely, in large part, on the banks superior knowledge of property values, its appraisal of the property and willingness to loan against the collateral value of that property to ensure they are not paying too much.

I might go to a used car dealer and have the salesman convince me that a 2001 Crown Victoria is worth $20,000 and be willing to pay that but when I go to my bank for an auto loan he is not going to loan me that much money for that car. He will tell me that he is only willing to loan me its fair market value no matter what my FICO score maybe.

This is what broke down during the bubble years. As KD notes the loans were not
made to be paid back. Appraisers were pressured to boost their appraisals or get no more work and, of course, once a few overpriced properties were sold on the basis of liar, no doc, Alt A, teaser ARMS etc, they had 'comparables' to justify the ever larger appraisal. But the banker KNEW those loans were no good and thus using sales financed by this kind of financing to establish market value was a disaster waiting to happen.

There ought to be a law.
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Karl, this makes too much sense to be adopted and it would take years to unravel this banksters created mess but I agree it must be done if we are to remain a nation where the rule of law governs.

I talk to people about this and their eyes glaze over.

They just don't want to believe it could possibly be as bad as it is.

I suspect there will be an attempt to paper over the problem with new laws but it is my hope that state attorneys general will step to the plate and get it right.

If not, we are so screwed.
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Sangell, there is a law.

There is also the UCC and The Uniform Fraudulent Transfer Act.

A loan made to someone who the lender knows or has reason to believe cannot pay is avoidable due to fraud in the inducement.

Settled stuff here.

I suspect the real bottom line behind all this foreclosuregate crap is that if the banks are forced to produce the paperwork they'll lose on this basis, and wind up with no enforcement. Yes, the homeowner gets evicted but his credit is undamaged and the bank eats the **** sandwich.

That would destroy all of them, and they know it.

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Evicted by whom? If the mortgage fails who then has a superior possessory right?

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Bernanke is now looking into it...so don't you all go worrying your pretty little heads.
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"That would destroy all of them, and they know it."

And it will. Why? Because the employment situation is not getting any better and there are going to be more who have no choice but to ruthlessly default. The cashflow is not going to improve...it will get worse.
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Spart, if you void the loan then the transfer is void too. Since the previous owner got paid in full he has no right of possession. Neither do you, as you no longer gave value.

The bank gets the house. But they also get the entirety of the **** sandwich, they can't pursue a deficiency judgment as the transaction is avoided (as if it never happened legally) and they're stuck with the entire loss.

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The transfer should still be valid, the prior homeowner committed no fraud. It's the loan that may be voidable and therefore the mortgage that was granted in consideration thereof. But, the homeowner is still record owner.

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Courts in the US are both courts of equity and law.

That line won't work; you'll lose on the equity argument. The bank will get the house but you will be avoided of the debt, and perhaps they will be forced to refund all your payments (which might not suck!)

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We are from the Federal Reserve and we're here to help (our criminal banking buddies that is).

http://www.chicagofed.org/digital_assets....


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Appraisers were pressured to boost their appraisals or get no more work...

Meanwhile, our local (IL) Township Assessor refuses to reduce tax assessments based on appraised values because according to the Assessor's Office, lender appraisals are low-ball estimates of fair market value. They're supposedly deliberately undervalued to protect lenders. smiley

You do NOT want to live in Illinois.

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How about this to the Chicago Fed: smiley

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Is the Bair announcement a trial balloon indicating they intend to come up with a "solution"?
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From the report at the Chicago Fed link:
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Convening Experts to Develop the Right Policy Responses

Is that a ****ing joke? The 'right policy response' is handcuffs and clawbacks.

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Gen, I think you're wrong here and it opens up a can of worms. This is not a seller financed transaction where you can simply undo the deal. The original homeowner sold the property, got paid, and transferred title. The bank never had title ... now the mortgage is gone and the loan obligation is voided. The bank has no legal theory left upon which to proceed. Talking about equity ... the bank is the party with 'unclean hands'.


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Sorry, but I don't care if the dwellings are put into escrow, or whatever - these people need to get out if they are not paying.

And, I don't care if they were sold a pile of crap by the banks, they failed to do their due diligence and were all Gung Ho to jump on the property ladder and **** someone else in order to make a ****load of money to buy a new BWM/Mercedes or to pay for their constantly stroked kids to go to some high priced college, or their well-heeled retirement on a golf.

And, as for fairness - what of the people who avoided this **** like the plague? Along this line, what happens to renters when they lose their job and don't pay their rent? No one gives a **** about renters, but "homeowners," God forbid, we as a society just cannot allow THEM to get "thrown out in the street!"

Get them out, let the banks their system of power, control, corruption and abuse die a fantastic death, and let us get to work building a newer and better system based on sound principles and true fairness.
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Good luck on finding out where your local Sheriff's candidates stand on this. The election is 2 weeks away and neither candidate will talk about this issue and even give a hint on where they stand for it. They probably know there is no upside to making their position known and figure they can slide under the radar and ride it out.

I have been trying to for two weeks to find out where my candidates stand...neither have responded. Therefore, I have no idea who to vote for...and i figure this is more common than not...
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Nope Spartacus.

If the loan is avoided then you gave no value. The seller got full value.

You thus have no money interest and nether does the seller. The only party remaining with interest is the funding source.

There's no "danger" in this position from a position or law or equity, as you are not forced to avoid the loan; that's elective (on your part.) If you do avoid it then you're released from its terms and there is no damage to your credit. The court would then look to the principles of equity, since under the law it does not have an answer - you have no contractual right to the deed since you never conveyed value if the loan is avoided (from a legal perspective it is as if it never funded) and neither does the seller since he was paid in full.

The only entity left with financial standing is the lender.

I can't come up with a legal theory under which this goes any other way.

In practice what is likely to happen if you avoid the loan is that the losses would be so massive to the bank that they'd be very interested in negotiating a new, good-faith loan with you at the current property value, as at minimum this saves them legal, rehabilitation and sale expenses. Those are running about $50k/property, so for them to negotiate a new 30 year fixed loan for you at prevailing rates for the current FMV of the property - assuming you have income and can service it (that is, you don't violate the fraud-in-the-inducement issue AGAIN with the new loan!) is going to be the best path forward for both them and you.

Absent that (e.g. you're unemployed and can't qualify under reasonable underwriting guidelines even at the current FMV) then they get the house and you walk free and clear.

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you have no contractual right to the deed since you never conveyed value if the loan is avoided


I'm trying to wrap brain around this. What about my 30% down payment (I know, how dumb was I!)

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If you're underwater it's gone. If you're not underwater you're not going to want to avoid the loan.

You could try to sue on the fraud in the inducement for it.

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