And Then.... It's Gone... (Secured Interest, That Is)
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Posted 2010-10-22 09:29
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And Then.... It's Gone... (Secured Interest, That Is)
 

Now this is an interesting situation.

Remember, MERS has protested repeatedly that it has standing.  Well, maybe not.  This is the Fieldstone Bankruptcy Decision, which I will highlight portions of, and embed the full document for those who want to read the wonkish legal stuff.

First, what led to the ruling...

On October 16, 2008, the subject motion for relief from stay was filed. See Doc. No. 21 (the “Motion”). It was filed by “Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. as nominee HSBC Bank USA, National Association, as Indenture Trustee of the Fieldstone Mortgage Investment Trust Series 2006-3.” Id. at 1 (the “Movant”).6 The Movant characterized itself as a “secured creditor and Claimant.” Id. The Motion further alleges that Debtors were indebted at filing “to Movant” and that the debt arose out of a promissory note and a deed of trust dated September 20, 2006 “naming Movant as beneficiary.” Id.

We've seen this one before, right?  MERS asserts (when it feels like it) that it has standing to file foreclosures or, in this case, it claims standing in a Bankruptcy.  As we shall see, that argument gets demolished....

While the term “party in interest” is not defined by the Code, this Court has held that such a party must have a “pecuniary interest” in the outcome of the dispute before the Court.

Yep.  No interest or harm, no standing.  End of discussion.  (This is pretty-basic stuff.)

Jacobson notes that its moving party, who claimed to be a servicer for the holder of the note, “neither asserts beneficial interest in the note, nor that it could enforce the note in its own right.” 2009 WL 567188 at *4. It concluded that Fed. R. Civ. P. 17 applied, requiring the stay relief motion to be brought in the name of the real party in interest.

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That entity is the real party in interest. It must bring the motion or, if the motion is filed by a servicer or nominee or other agent with claimed authority to bring the motion, the motion must identify and be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest.11

Now we get to the meat of it.  That is, The Trust must bring the action, either through an agent or by itself.  But as soon as it does, it is then burdened with showing that it actually has the note, and thus has received conveyance. 

Remember that little issue of conveyance I've been talking about?  Yeah, that one.  Well gee, who would have thought that a Judge would actually expect people to show up with proof that they have standing so they can perfect their security interest?

The Motion was filed by MERS “as nominee [for] HSBC Bank USA, National Association, as Indenture Trustee of the Fieldstone Mortgage Investment Trust Series 2006-3.” Even assuming that MERS as a “nominee” had sufficient rights and ability as an agent to advance its principal’s stay relief request, there remains an insuperable problem. The Motion provides no explanation, much less documentation or other evidence, to show that the Fieldstone Mortgage Investment Trust Series 2006-3 (as an entity) or HSBC Bank USA (as that entity’s “indenture trustee”) has any interest in the subject Note or the subject Deed of Trust.13

Ding ding ding ding ding! 

You must provide strict proof that you own a thing when you assert it in court.  That is subject to the rules of evidence and challenge by the other side.  You cannot simply say "Joe owes me $150,000" and then demand that a court perfect that security interest!  To permit that would be to permit raw acts of theft and subversion of the entire legal system.

This District’s Local Bankruptcy Rule 4001.2 requires copies of “all documents evidencing the obligation and the basis of perfection of any lien or security interest.” The sole documentation provided with the Motion here evidences the interests in the Note and Deed of Trust held by Fieldstone Mortgage Company, a Maryland corporation. This submission does not answer the key question — Who was the holder of the Note at the time of the Motion? Several movants for stay relief have argued that the holder of a note secured by a deed of trust obtains the benefit of the deed of trust even in the absence of an assignment of the deed of trust, on the theory that the security for the debt follows the debt. Under this theory, it would appear that when bankruptcy intervenes, and somewhat like a game of Musical Chairs, the then-current holder of the note is the only creditor with a pecuniary interest and standing sufficient to pursue payment and relief from stay.15

The Motion here certainly suggests that the Fieldstone Mortgage Investment Trust Series 2006-3 (or perhaps HSBC Bank USA in its capacity as indenture trustee for that trust) was the holder of the note on the June 24, 2008, petition date. But at the time of the final § 362(e) evidentiary hearing herein, the parties discussed and Movant ultimately conceded that (I) the Note contained nothing indicating its transfer by Fieldstone Mortgage Company, (ii) the Motion was devoid of allegations regarding the details of any such transfer, and (iii) the record lacked any other documents related to the issue.

Oh, you shredded or burned the security instrument and can't show a chain of assignment?  That sucks my friend, because you have to show your work! 

In this case the Court has a problem - there's nothing in the record that shows a chain of assignments proving that Fieldstone or HSBC holds the paper!

Subsequent to the closing of the hearing and after the Court took the dispute under advisement, Movant filed a “supplemental affidavit” of its counsel. See Doc. No. 28 (filed January 2, 2009). This affidavit alleges that Movant’s counsel obtained on such date the “original” Note and that the same contains an indorsement. Counsel states that his “affidavit is presented to supplement the record herein and for the Court’s consideration in the pending motion[.]” Id. at 2.

The filing and consideration of this supplemental affidavit are improper for several reasons.

First, the record was closed, and the Court did not authorize the reopening of that record, nor did it indicate any post-hearing submissions would be accepted.

Yeah, it's called trying to prove up a case without giving the other side the benefit of challenging your so-called "evidence."  Only in a banana republic is this sort of crap allowed.

Second, Trustee did not have the opportunity to address this “newly obtained” document at hearing, and nothing shows his consent to the post hoc supplementation of the evidentiary record.

That's because....

Third, disputed factual issues in contested matters may not be resolved through testimony in “affidavits” but rather require testimony in open court. See Fed. R. Bankr. P. 9014(d). Under the circumstances, the identity of the holder of the Note certainly appears to be a fact in dispute falling within the ambit of this rule.

Gee, the court says "We're not a banana republic.  Due process of law, jackass!"

Fourth, the affidavit is insufficient to establish that counsel, as affiant, has the ability to testify regarding or lay the foundation required to admit the document. See Esposito v. Noyes (In re Lake Country Invs., LLC), 255 B.R. 588, 594-95 (Bankr. D. Idaho 2000).16 The assertion that the newly possessed note is the “original” appears to be based not on the affiant’s (counsel’s) personal knowledge but on the assertions of someone else.

Robo, meet Judge.

Fifth, the proffer of this “new” note as the “original” note directly contradicts Movant’s prior representations that the Note attached to the Motion was “true and correct” and the operative document in this matter. See Doc. No. 21 at 1.

You mean someone committed perjury?  That's a polite way of saying it - they realized they had blown it and tried to cover up the fact that they lied originally.  Oops.

Sixth, even were it considered, the “new” Note’s asserted indorsement states: “Pay To The Order Of [blank] Without Recourse” and then purports to be signed by Fieldstone Mortgage Company through a named assistant vice president. There is no date nor indication of who was or is the transferee. Fieldstone Mortgage Company may have indorsed the Note in blank, but this document does not alone establish that either HSBC Bank USA or Fieldstone Mortgage Investment Trust is the Note’s holder.17

Ding ding ding ding ding!

Maybe they are and maybe they aren't, and maybe - just maybe - they weren't at the time they were supposed to be, and are trying to cover up the fact that they violated the IRS REMIC rules by taking the transfer after the closing date of the trust.

See the games these jackasses play?

The judge did.

Dismissed.

 

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Hell yes.

Dead Bankers Everywhere!!!!!

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So there's no evidence that any money is owed by anybody on these homes listed in MERS.. halleluja, here's our jubilee. That's gonna be bad for the banks' bottom lines tho

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Perseid, it will be bad for taxpayers bottom line. Banks don't take losses in 'Merica. So much money 'invested' in TBTF thus far makes them too big not to continue bailing out.

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I like it. I've sent the letter (copied) from TF, to all of my mortgage servicers and requested they "produce the note, and all assignments". I have no idea what (if anything) I'll do next, but I did send the letters!

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At the very least we get to see how fast they can make the printing presses go and where they're gonna find the next batch of "indirect buyers" to swallow that load. At some point, in theory, china will say "this accepting IOU game bores us, we think it'd be more exciting to see what happens when we don't play any more"

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Americans need to stop wasting their time calling their representatives or protesting in Washington DC. Instead, protest in front of the personal homes of Bankster CEO/CFOs,in front of the personal homes of your representative.... They made it personal and so should you.
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I firmly believe that "Foreclosuregate" will cure when congress passes some de factor legislation to clear the way. It will done under the guise of "Needing to preserve home values for the American People..." and/or "....steps necessary to protect the "RECOVERY" of the economy..." Am I cynical? You better believe it.

The best Congress money can buy.

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one of those midnight on XMAS eve deals? yep, A people get the govt. they deserve.

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Americans need to stop wasting their time calling their representatives or protesting in Washington DC. Instead, protest in front of the personal homes of Bankster CEO/CFOs,in front of the personal homes of your representative.... They made it personal and so should you.
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Dashingdwl and Onelegged have it nailed. Status Quo and Banker's wealth must be maintained. Those of you/us hoping for this to be the straw that breaks our debt-ridden camels back are just dreaming.

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...and then there's this:

Why is Obama putting a Fannie Mae/Goldman Sachs lobbyist/consultant as NSA?

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OK, can someone help me with the legal stuff.

I read about notes being shredded, and MERS being used to identify (incorrectly) who the holder of a mortgage is. I also read that you cant get a free house.

But if the original paperwork has been shredded, showing reassignments of a mortgage, then how do you get to a situation where the MERS ownership can be unwound, the mortgage passed back to the originator, such that they can foreclose? Is such an unwinding ALWAYS possible? If not, it is free house time isnt it?

Oh, and a collapse of the financial system with every free house.
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I have more confidence in my fellow Americans. They will not let this issue fade quietly into the night.
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A couple of things of note:

1. While BK courts are federal, This District’s Local Bankruptcy Rule 4001.2 requires copies of “all documents evidencing the obligation and the basis of perfection of any lien or security interest,” not all BK courts have such a plain rule, although MOST do.

2. This dismissal was from March 2009. That's quite a long time ago and should be established precedent by now if anyone was paying attention.

3. This also has far-reaching impact on both past and future Chapter 7 bankruptcies. Those that have filed a Chapter 7 and not reconfirmed their mortgages indeed have no idebtedness on the notes, but this case also may set precedent that without a lender having asserted a Proof of Claim (i.e. written right to foreclose) at the time of BK, they're SOL from that point on. Speak now or forever hold your peace sort of thing. All creditors have to file a Proof of Claim asserting their interest in any dispensation in a BK and to do this, they have to file their proofs as to the debtor's indebtedness to them and if their claim is secured, they have to file PROOF OF THAT COLLATERAL - i.e. a lien of some sort.

I'm still working through this one, but if you have filed a Chapter 7 and discharged your mortgage notes, and NOT reconfirmed that indebtendess, your lender has a problem - not you.

*If you are considering filing Chapter 7, and your state has a homestead provision, discharge the damn notes and refuse to reconfirm, demanding that the lender produce their right to the title if they file a Proof of Claim. Federal BK Courts seem to have much better clarity on the issue of right of title and it's requirement to be in writing than other courts. If the lender doesn't file a Proof of Claim with a wet-ink copy of their right to the collateral, any discharge will include not just the note, but any 'claim' a purported creditor has to the collateral.

*DISCLAIMER: For educational purposes. Not intended to be legal advice. ALWAYS consult with your attorney and find out the laws in your state.

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Oh geez, the judge really terminated them with extreme prejudice, did he not?

(I don't mean that in the pure legal sense of "terminated" nor "prejudice" I mean it more along the lines of the footage of those gophers that were being shot with .50 cal rounds a few weeks ago)

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Whatever law is necessary to "fix" this situation is being written as we speak.
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Somebody is lying! I'll believe the judge.

http://www.mersinc.org/newsroom/press_de....

Statement by R.K. Arnold, President and CEO of MERSCORP, Inc.
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
October 9, 2010
FACT: The trail of ownership does not change because of MERS.
MERS does not remove, omit, or otherwise fail to report land ownership information from public records. Parties are put on notice that MERS is the mortgagee and notifications by third parties can be sent to MERS. Mortgages and deeds of trust still get recorded in the land records.

While this information is tracked through the MERS® System, the paperwork still exists to prove actual legal transfers still occurred. No mortgage ownership documents have disappeared because loans were registered on the MERS® System. These documents exist now as they have before MERS was created. The only pieces of paper that have been eliminated are assignments between servicing companies because such assignments become unnecessary when MERS holds the mortgage lien for the owner of the note.
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On another note, I mean subject.

If the all the papers that have been generated by MERS and that are held by the pension funds are almost worthless and IF the robos were not pumping up the stock market, I ask, seriously, "who would be the parties that we would be concerned about being bankrupt?" ... The banks OR your 401k etc.

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The Judge wrote..
Fifth, the proffer of this “new” note as the “original” note directly contradicts Movant’s prior representations that the Note attached to the Motion was “true and correct” and the operative document in this matter. See Doc. No. 21 at 1.

This **** may stop when the judge sends a deputy down to the lawyers office and brings him out in handcuffs in full view of his coworkers and neighbors.

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Notice that they say "they exist now as they have before"

Well, they never existed - before or now.

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Karl,

if the documents dont exist, say for example in a particular case, then how can the person in the home be foreclosed on if the proof of beneficial interest in the mortgage cannot be shown in court? Dont you need an initial document where the mortgagee signs something? Is this the document that doesnt exist, or are there other documents missing?

Bonehead questions I know, but I find the answers to obvious questions the most revealing.
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Can someone please tell me who would buy a house after this mess? Dont all answer at once. I will buy an RV and move to Antarctica before i even considering buying a house.

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Leic, in most cases they're filing "Lost Note Affidavits" and in non-judicial foreclosure states THEY'RE NOT BEING REQUIRED TO PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE!

Same here in the "Rocket Dockets" - original note or no, forget stopping it. The Judges don't CARE that the paper can't be produced - and it's not lost, they intentionally destroyed it.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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yes indeed, how can it be foreclosed? it can't. what you refer to as "the initial document", i.e., the "wet ink" mortgage note, was apparently shredded (just like burning a 100 GBP note).
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"Can someone please tell me who would buy a house after this mess? Dont all answer at once. I will buy an RV and move to Antarctica before i even considering buying a house."

Which is precisely why this WILL NOT FADE QUIETLY. If they pull a stunt like some of the posters seem to think, they will ****ing KILL THE RE MARKET INSTANTLY.

In fact, I'll go one step further and say that this is extremely deflationary if it develops into that scenario.

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I dont know what to believe. Maybe the banks are right, Maybe they are wrong. The whole thing just sounds BAD.

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