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Etz
Posts: 13890
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Given the complexity of what needs to be done and the fact that banks stand to lose the most, I would expect the Obozo administration and the stooges in charge to do one thing and one thing only:
Nothing
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Legal chicanery and beneficent darkness are the banker's stoutest allies - F.Pecora.
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Lizardqueen
Posts: 3558
Incept: 2008-04-01
He's cute, but he can't swim
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And, if there was a way to, go long lawyers and forensic accountants.....
This is exactly what needs to be done but while in process will completely gridlock the real estate market and tank the banks cash flow.
Which is probably why it won't happen.
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"Pull your pants up, turn your hat around, and get a job" ---P.J. O'Rourke
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Jake3463
Posts: 770
Incept: 2010-03-06
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The political problem right now is our President and his advisors are amoral sociopaths.
He said he saved the financial world all year, and by goly he saved the financial world.
Doing what you suggest would mean that he didn't save the financial world.
Axelrod was already on TV this morning saying he wants foreclosures back up and running as quickly as possible. I'm pretty sure Geithner has briefed the President on what happens if they follow the law and do the right thing.
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Statusquojoe
Posts: 2784
Incept: 2008-11-20
Land of the fees Home of the slaves.
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KD wrote..We must enjoin by permanent legal process future subversion of land titles. This includes entities such as "MERS". If MERS wishes to "track" mortgages for people's convenience that's fine and well but that cannot be allowed to stand in for recordation of transfers of security and ownership interests. MERS cannot be allowed to replace, subvert or supplant the land title system in The United States. This is a State Law function - not a federal one and is well-supported in State Law. It is historically, and with good cause, vested at the level of the county government, where ad-valorem taxes are levied as well for local government support. As such any claim made by an entity such as MERS must have no legal standing whatsoever - recorded county records control, period. Exactly the states cannot allow the federal government to override their rights/established legal system for property title. Excellent ticker.
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There are so many rules no one knows which rules to follow. The only sure rule is more rules will follow. SQJ.
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Meltdown
Posts: 1844
Incept: 2008-03-18
FL
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Quote:For each parcel with mortgage(s), those who claim interest must then come to court and prove it up with an unbroken chain of assignments. Provide a reasonable amount of time (one year?) A year may not be enough.....check out this 2008 case dismissed (BOA) because the judge gave them 45 days and they took 335 days to respond, but still not with the documents requested - which were: Quote:(1) an affidavit of facts either by an officer of plaintiff BNY or someone with a valid power of attorney from plaintiff BNY and personal knowledge of the facts; (2) an affidavit from Ely Harless describing his employment history for the past three years, because Mr. Harless assigned the instant mortgage as Vice President of MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS, INC. (MERS) and then executed an affidavit of merit for assignee BNY as Vice President of BNY’s alleged attorney-in-fact without any power of attorney; and, (3) an affidavit from an officer of plaintiff BNY explaining why it purchased the instant nonperforming loan from MERS, as nominee for DECISION ONE MORTGAGE COMPANY, LLC (DECISION ONE). http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.com/20....
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VICTORY BELONGS TO THE RELENTLESS!
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Zzt
Posts: 3038
Incept: 2007-06-26
Glendale az
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The resolutions are subordinate to the real question :
Are we or are we not a nation that believes and upholds the rule of law?
Our future will be determined by the answer.
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Throxxofvron
Posts: 10329
Incept: 2009-02-17
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Quote:The nation is on the edge of anarchy with reports of homes being literally stolen, bank employees breaking into occupied dwellings to change the locks on houses they had not yet foreclosed on, multiple sales of the same property, improper foreclosures on houses where there was no mortgage at all, service of process that never happened and was attested to, literal forgery of court documents (e.g. process service filed that pre-dated the lawsuit itself) and other outrages.
If this is not stopped immediately there is every reason to believe that the people of this nation will come to the conclusion that the bedrock of society - private property ownership - has been intentionally destroyed by a band of brigands with the explicit cooperation and permission of the government. Should that conclusion be reached - that our government has conspired with private parties to expropriate the homes of the citizens - history says that the outcome is likely to be extremely unpleasant and irreversible. ^ I fully agree with this dire assessment of the situation. Once the Citizenry reach the conclusion that there is and has been a criminal conspiracy/collusion between .GOV and Private Parties to expropriate the aggregate Private Property of the Citizenry; Our Civil Society -the Republic Itself- will be utterly destroyed. Our land is awash with vast caches of armament and munitions. -Only God Knows what terrible violence, destruction, and suffering will be wrought in the mayhem of the base Social Contract of Our Country coming undone... The unwinding of Our Society will make the French Revolution look like a picnic. We are facing the possibility of suffering a Domestic episode on par with the Civil War or a European Theater in WW1. No sane Person can advocate a path which hazards this outcome.
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DIONYSUS: " Thou hast no knowledge of the life thou art leading; thy very existence is now a mystery to thee. " -from 'The Bacchantes' By Euripides “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell
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Genesis
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Incept: 2007-06-26
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Melt, if they don't come to court in a reasonable amount of time, then the title is cleared of liens. They can still sue (within the statute of limitations) for collection of the unsecured debt later, but they can't cloud the title.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Joejohns
Posts: 694
Incept: 2010-09-09
Banned
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NO and it's OBVIOUS at least since 2001.
No law on the books mean crap if it conflicts "national security" or "bankster survival".
Banksters MUST BE supported, how much clearer do they need to make it.
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Free
Posts: 3242
Incept: 2007-07-28
The world
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mark
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"Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see."
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Genesis
Posts: 130792
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Updated.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Yaldor
Posts: 2687
Incept: 2008-05-17
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I hope someone will listen.
I wonder how many banks will remain standing after such process
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For every crash the probability of someone showing that he predicted it is near 1 . For every prediction of an imminent crash the probability of it being correct is almost zero
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Randy123
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Incept: 2008-09-24
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How are we not out of time? We had one chance, in '08/09...That's it.
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China is the Enemy. Wake Up.
New Normal. Same As The Old Awful.
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Genesis
Posts: 130792
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Yaldor: None of the big ones.
But the day after it's done there will be new banks, and smaller regional and local lenders who didn't do this ****, that will be there to take the business.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Andysvw
Posts: 1752
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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If it seems right it it might just be right. I would add more of an insentive to bring the banks back to the table. While in suspence accounts Let the homeowners pay just pricipal no intrest. Otherwise the banks will just wait for the local courts to do thier dirty work for free. Hold thier feet to the fire so to speak. Giving homeowners a break they most definately have paid for. Also forcing MBS holders to look in the ****ing boxes. Dont forget to freeze all insurance accounts not a single penny gets out. Locking the doors as it were.
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Genesis
Posts: 130792
Incept: 2007-06-26
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No Andy you don't have to do that.
The servicers (banks) have to advance the payments to MBS holders for all loans either not in default or where cure is reasonably likely. A loan where payment is going into a court-supervised suspense account is not in default, but they have to advance the payments to MBS holders on it anyway. Oops.
They'll come to the table - and quick - if they can prove up ownership. If they can't, tough **** - they now have at best an unsecured debt and the MBS holders will eat them alive.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Sraven
Posts: 10
Incept: 2010-07-29
Dallas
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As the Market Guy has been saying, over and over and over again . . .
MarketTicker has been saying this over and over and over again for 3 or 4 years
So, if MarketTicker Guy knew about this 3 years ago, are we to assume that the President, CONgress, the Banks, MERS, et al "didn't know"?
Did they simply wake up last week and say "Holy Poop, the world is coming to an end" and then fall down on their knees and start praying to the "dead guy in the sky"?
I'm thinking . . . NOT!
And if they knew about it for 2 or 3 or 4 years and broke the story conveniently just before and election (you don't really think this story "broke" on it's own accord - or do you?) so that they could further abuse the millions of American's in foreclosure in order to score measly election points
Don't you think they already have a solution?
And that solution involves the further expansion of the federal government over states rights.
Patsies
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J0nx
Posts: 3068
Incept: 2008-08-12
The trashcan of the nation
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Yeah so the big banks crash. 30 days later we will have all 'new' banks with the same old clowns running them. Do you think any due diligence will be done to blackball any senior execs or management from these failed institutions from slithering their way into positions of authority with the newly created banks? I think not...
If there is no way to indict, try and jail these people then I see a requirement of massive blackballing of ALL individuals at any position of authority in failed banking institutions before we can move forward. These people need to be prevented from EVER working in this industry again. If not then this whole entire thing will have been nothing but one big circle jerk.
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The fraud and lies are only allowed to continue because the people allow it. Either through apathy or ignorance, they still allow it.
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Newsboy
Posts: 1478
Incept: 2008-01-29
Watching it all burn...
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Unfortunately the Pirates (Mercenary wealth by predation), Looters (Thuggishly taking wealth/income under the color of law, e.g. .GOV employees/partners in crime) and the Moochers (Income sponged crumb-by-crumb from the droppings of the previous two) ARE the Social Mores of the MAJORITY of Ungulatus Americanus Horribilis... I've watched what should have been turning points against the systemic fraud from Wall St. to DC come & go with increasing regularity and rapidity, growing to an exponential rate over the last decade, with very little ALARM at the social level...this too will be swept under the rug by a group of Federal Judges, probably SDNY/2nd Circuit, just like they HAVE with all of the other FRAUDS perpetrated by Fraud St./District of Criminals since Reagan. 
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Irishsamurai
Posts: 1150
Incept: 2008-11-03
GA
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@Sraven:
Exactly as pointed out in the Janet T. thread in breaking ... when Ezra Klein gets on board with a story (see the jackass that founded Journo-list), there is an agenda here ... that has been orchestrated from the top.
That is why the "Get The Bankers" won't work ... granted what Karl is advocating here is not that strategy, but Karl appears to be advocating is not on board with what the administration wants either ...
As someone else pointed out in another thread ... the narrative all summer has been "Obama saved the economy from the worst recession since 1920 ... " ... no way they go ahead and put a HARD STOP on the economy, ala Iceland, which is what is being advocated here (granted I agree with what you are advocating) ...
No, I see this being a political play to assert even further dilution of the 9th/10th amendments with a "re-writing of the rules/laws" rather than asserting justice ...
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“Why is it the ship beats the waves when the waves are so many and the ship is one? The reason is that the ship has a purpose.” - Churchill
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Andysvw
Posts: 1752
Incept: 2010-06-26
Tujunga Ca
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Trox No sane person can BLA BLA BLA
You dont get to wait for a cop when its your child being rapped.
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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Sraven said: Quote:Don't you think they already have a solution?
And that solution involves the further expansion of the federal government over states rights. +1000%  The only way the people in charge (banks/government) can stay in charge, is to pass some BS law that makes all they've done legal, then use the gestapo to keep the people under control. Since no one gives up power willingly, we're screwed. You think it can't happen in the US? It already has. We can jawbone and type the truth all we want, but it won't matter. Justice no longer exists in our country.
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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Genesis
Posts: 130792
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:We can jawbone and type the truth all we want, but it won't matter. Justice no longer exists in our country.
I hope you can be literally self-sufficient in that case and further, that you walk around in a hard-plate suit and helmet all day. If justice no longer exists then the premise by which you walk out of the store and to your car with your groceries in peace no longer exists either. Contemplate that.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb. What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Halfbrite
Posts: 2459
Incept: 2008-10-13
Arizona via California
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Gen said: Quote: I hope you can be literally self-sufficient in that case
Sadly, I'm not self sufficient. And I have no answers for what's coming either. I applaud and support all efforts to prevent the inevitable, but I fear the battle for America is lost. When you understand the magnitude of our "financial services industry" literally defrauding the life savings of people all over the world, there is no "fix" for the problem-the money is gone. My personal program is: "Live one day at a time". That's the best I can do.
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"That which cannot continue, will not continue. Brace for impact!"
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