PIMpCO: Illumination
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Posted 2010-09-29 09:50
by Karl Denninger
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PIMpCO: Illumination
 

Anyone who has read me for any length of time knows that I have nothing but disgust for Bill Gross and PIMCO, and in fact call them "PIMpCO", because it is my belief that he has repeatedly prostituted himself with both The Fed and Government.

Nonetheless, he is highly intelligent.  And what he's written in his last public missive is something you better pay attention to.

  • The New Normal has a new set of rules. What once pumped asset prices and favored the production of paper, as opposed to things, is now in retrograde.

  • The hard cold reality from Stan Druckenmiller’s “old normal” is that prosperity and overconsumption was driven by asset inflation that in turn was leverage and interest rate correlated.

  • Investors are faced with 2.5% yielding bonds and stocks staring straight into new normal real growth rates of 2% or less. There is no 8% there for pension funds. There are no stocks for the long run at 12% returns.

Got those three points?

Now recall what I've been saying for the last three years and change:

  • We didn't have "prosperity", we had a false God called leverage and much of it was enabled by cheating of one form or another.  That is, lies, scams and frauds.  This was enabled by government regulators who intentionally did not regulate, and still aren't.

  • We hit the wall.  The wall is still there.  We have not de-levered.  The consumer's "deleveraging" is in fact defaults - not taking down of leverage - while both business and government have actually ADDED leverage.  Therefore, we cannot add more leverage.  Thus, Bill's observation.

  • Pensions and all that depend on them are screwed.  I've been hollering about this for more than two years.  The returns necessary to make those payments do not exist.  They cannot be made to exist.  No amount of machination that Obama and Bush before him, nor Bernanke, pull can change this.

Now listen to this:

The last time I checked, the investment grade bond market yielded only 2.5% and a combination of the two classic asset classes would require 12% from stocks to hit the magical 8% pool ball. That requires a really long cue stick dear reader, or what they call a “bridge” in pool hall parlance. Best of luck.

Not gonna happen, in other words.

If you're an avid Ticker reader, you knew this two years ago.  Now you have the Bond King of the world telling you. 

You may think I'm a nut. 

You would be wise to listen to Bill Gross.

Now if you remember, I wrote a rather poignant Ticker back in the early part of 2009 when it appeared that there was no way to stop the slide in equities, and that the real valuations of bank "assets" would be exposed.  It was entitled "What's Dead?  All Of It."  I subsequently took some heat when Congress twisted FASB's arm and legalized accounting fraud - and as a result, it didn't happen.

Right away.

But as I have repeatedly pointed out, cash flow never lies.  The bank will never let you forge a deposit ticket.  Balance sheets, with government approval, sure.  A deposit ticket?  Nope. 

Never.

So what does PIMCO pop up with?  Oh, this:

The predicament, of course, is mimicked by all institutions with underfunded liability structures – insurance companies, Social Security, and perhaps least acknowledged or respected, households. If a family is expecting to earn a high single-digit return on their 401(k) to fund retirement, or a similar result from their personal account to pay for college, there will likely not be enough in the piggy bank at time’s end to pay the bills.

Now go back and read the Ticker again.  Annuities.  Pension funds.  Insurance companies.

Yeah.

We not only didn't fix it, we made it worse.  By "buying a couple of years of time" we also added more than $3 trillion in debt to the US Government's balance sheet - but as you can see Bill Gross now acknowledges we fixed nothing.

Bill still thinks that "reflation", where nominal GDP can reach 5% growth with nearly all of from "shaving the currency" (that is, actual monetary debasement) is possible.  He's wrong on this point, even though he gets the rest - but I can somewhat forgive him for that failure, since the reason for it is that he's likely never had to earn the money for his food with his own hands, and never had to run an actual household budget to make sure his baby had a diaper on his ass for the entire 30 days in the month.  He does, however, acknowledge why - he just fails to make the connection:

In the meantime, they are faced with 2.5% yielding bonds and stocks staring straight into new normal real growth rates of 2% or less. There is no 8% there for pension funds. There are no stocks for the long run at 12% returns. And the most likely consequence of stimulative government policies that strain to get us there will be a declining dollar and a lower standard of living. Stan Druckenmiller is leaving, and with good reason. A future of low investment returns, and a heap of trouble for those expecting more, is what lies ahead.

A "lower standard of living" doesn't mean a lot to a guy like me who grills a few more brats instead of going out to eat at three times the price.

For the person who is already eating Ramen or worse, is counting his kid's diapers and hoping the kid doesn't poop too many times before the "magic card" with welfare benefits turns back on at the first of the month, however, it's a different matter.

These people have no margin to squeeze, and there's a very significant percentage of the population that is stuck in that space in this country.  Like about a quarter.

The usual cry from the Liberal Left is "give 'em some more help." 

But the government doesn't have the money either.

More to the point for everyone else, if that family doesn't have the money, and doesn't spend it, that "trickles back up" to the people who would have made the diapers - or the Ramen.  They work fewer hours, get paid less money, and, well, you know the cycle.

So here's the deal folks.

For three years I've been screeching on this for anyone who cares to listen.  Sometimes I think I'm*****ing into the wind.  But now - after all this time - there are people who have the "panache" to bend ears in places that are saying the same thing.

Do they see the wall in front of us? 

I think so.

The maddening part is that even so, folks like Gross won't stand and say "stop that stupid ****!"  They should, but thus far, few have.

The fact that the storm has not passed, however, will do for now.

And Bill: If you're reading this, sit down with a calculator and try to figure out how far the government can go with $1.3 trillion annual deficits before it becomes impossible for the bond curve to normalize without instantly bankrupting the nation.

Japan appears to already be there, and you might want to start talking about that - before we go there, and make a return to something approaching a normal economy quite literally impossible.

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Genesis wrote..
a guy like me who grills a few more brats
Brawts?

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wowzers, thanks Karl

EDIT

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HOLY **** BATMAN

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I have heard you for the last two years, and I have listened and learned. Boy have I learned!

Just retired with a really nice nest egg. Planned to live a continued middle class life off SS, money I am required to take out of retirement plan, and interest. Where did my interest go? And it will probably get worse.

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Abnormal, maybe he did mean brats

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brats is a correct spelling (one of)
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"Brats" leaves more possibilities open smiley

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I gots 2 brats. Do I grill the bigger or smaller one first?

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I made presentations to institutional investors last week in NYC and we "argued" about their 8% "historical" return targets (I argued they were all hallucinating). Despite the facts staring them straight in the face, there was a strong sense of collective denial. Even though as they spoke, their portfolios where getting sub-par returns. One participant finally made an epiphany and came to the conclusion that accepting long term lower returns would mean also accepting "new realities" of everything they once took for granted. A complete mindset change, which doesn't come easy. It also implies their livelihood is threatened. It turns into a a struggle of personal acceptance which for these kinds of people means DNA change. It was like watching deer staring into headlights before they get run over.

I showed the DJIA yoy change from 1960 - 2010, 1965 to 1983 was 1.5% yoy, since 1983 3.5% Doesn't account for inflation. Clearly, there were only a couple people in the room who were around to remember.
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Illuminati?

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Snow: Yep.

The 1990s were a statistical aberration commonly known as "Kondratiev Autumn."

It won't be repeated again for 80 years.

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SC retirement fund can't get the 8% return anymore so they're looking to cut the fees by creating a new investment company:

COLUMBIA -- South Carolina's chief financial officer said Tuesday he wants further study on a proposal to create an independent investment company that would manage a portion of the state's finances.

The state commission that oversees public employees' retirement system voted last week to proceed with steps that could put South Carolina's private capital investments under management of a state-owned firm...


The plan involves the newly created company investing in private capital, such as real estate and South Carolina companies, which the commission's chief investment officer, Bob Borden, says would help create jobs. About 20 percent of the state's $24 billion retirement trust fund is invested in private capital.

A consultant's report suggests the plan could save the state about $500 million in management fees over the next decade, by cutting in half the initial investment fees and reducing the cut of profits normally taken by private investment managers.


Read more: http://www.thesunnews.com/2010/09/29/172....

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another observation I made was that if the fund manager got honest and indeed set a significantly lower target, they would loose their job as the trustees/asset owners are also in denial and demand the 8%+ "since everyone else believes this is the beta". So one fund manager confided that even if he never believes in the 8% he targets it anyway in order to keep his job. When asked what will happen when he can't make more than 2-3%, "I'll cross that bridge with everyone else when we get to it. And then it will be the new normal, we'll all blame the markets and I'll still have a job".
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Except that when it's a pension, annuity or insurance company (and they all are aiming at that number) they all blow up and the economy collapses, along with the P&C business that is essential for actual risk mitigation.

Never mind that promising something you KNOW you can't deliver is fraud.

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The pension part is so true. I think it is to the point if I was negotiating with the cops or firemen I would say ok no 4% or 5% pay increase this year or next but we will increase your pension by 25% starting in 2012. The heroes would take it and when everything goes kabloom no pensions anyway. How do you like that pension now?

The ticket writer heroes(cops) near me got a 4% pay increase this year.


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Don't worry - he is on T.V. again talking about the economy.

we are heading in the right direction

We Are Heading In The Right Direction!

WE ARE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man I don't like this ticker at all.

As usual it is well written and applies simple math to the problems we are facing. Karl has illustrated quite well why we have hit the wall.

It also brings up another great point. Long term returns are just not going to be there for a long long time. That fact, means all those who still have their savings in the stock market are now wearing a great big target on their backs.

Goldman sure as hell knows this, the inflated valuations in private stock accounts that have accumulated over the last 20 years, looks like a giant honey pot to them. It is now clearly in their interests to derail the market and short the **** out of everyone's retirement.

The buy and hold crowd are now just lambs for the slaughter.

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The maddening part is that even so, folks like Gross won't stand and say "stop that stupid ****!" They should, but thus far, few have.


This is why I gave up on Ritholtz like a year ago or so. I'm pretty sure he 'gets it', but he seems more interested in data-diving and palling around with financial terrorists than someone with an adequate amount of outrage would be.
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Very good ticker. Thank you.

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"And Bill: If you're reading this, sit down with a calculator and try to figure out how far the government can go with $1.3 trillion annual deficits before it becomes impossible for the bond curve to normalize without instantly bankrupting the nation."

On the one hand, we need to bond curve to nomralize because it is shafting the retirees and small savers and contributing to the drop in consumer spending. On the other hand, if Obama were to get his way and be looking at a $20 trillion national debt, at 5% that would be $1 trillion in interest annually or pretty much 1/3 of the current federal budget. ZIRG from the fed ends up being a very large tax on savers and investors that benefits government budgets.
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Percent means nothing if it is devaluation. I was going to write a book in 2003, but I figured I probably didn't have the public credentials to get it published, so it is on my old PC. I was going to call it "Think its Safe to go back in the water". I guess people like to swim with sharks, because they did and the fools are still holding onto gains.

Anyhow, I demonstrated that the market performed in a certain way financially for over 100 years and now it was performing in another fashion. Also, I tried to demonstrate how portfolio theory and it being used on the entire market, destroyed the potential to achieve anything in excess of risk free before fee returns and set the holder up for massive loss. Thirdly, I tried to point out that stocks were financial assets and that you could get a return out of the market that differentiated from where you bought in. Thus, it was impossible to buy into the broad market with a yield on the SPX at 2% and get the return that would be demonstrated by an SPX that paid a 4% dividend. Most bullish studies relate to markets that started at dividend yields well over 4% and no one can find much more than a 4% real rate of return out of market peaks at 3% dividends in 1929 and 1966.

What people can't see about portfolio theory is that instead of removing risk, once it become widely used, it incorporated it. The theory is you could buy 5 to 10 assets in a class and make the expected return out of them. What has been neglected is not a damn one of these *******s can tell you what the expected return is for the market based on price. Thus the idea of purchase price and financial pricing went out the window and just buying the whole market with the idea you just wait came in. Well, risk always shows up. What I meant to say here is the SPX is priced to yield 2% when the model yields 4%, so that doesn't leave much room for a substantial amount of resonably priced stock of any kind, because the SPX is cap weighted and covers the major companies of the US.

In order for a portfolio of stock to go from a 2% yield to a more reasonable 4% yield, the dividend either has to double or the price has to drop 50%. So, if you bought the SPX and its yield normalized to the historic range in the next year, your loss would 48%. That is the 2% dividend you got and the 50% loss you received. In fact, your return would be 2% if you held the portfolio until growth restored your price. Anything prior to that would cut into that 2% yield. Figuring a 4% nominal rate of growth, we are talking 18 years of expected returns of 2% or less. Remember you don't get the return of growth because it is the growth in yield that is restoring the loss. But, then again, I could be wrong about that and being I don't want to sit here and discount 18 years. I do know in theory the return on stocks is yield plus growth in yield, but that is from the proper price. Thus if growth is 4% and required yield is 4%, then return is 8%, but if yield is 2%, you have to lose 50% before you can start making 8%, thus you don't make 6% in the interim. The return if you hold it long enough to get your money back after time adjustment is probably closer to 3%, averaging the final 4% with the starting 2%. You can't restore required return without an adjustment in income or price. Stock is discounted on an open end basis, because if the unlimited life theory.

In my calculations, on a real basis, the people in at the peak in 2000 will never and I repeat never see their money back. There is no 70 year time span in history where the real growth of yield exceeded 1%. At the peak the dividend yield fell to nearly 1%. To get that to 3%, which has been the peak low for most of history would require a 66% in price. If you removed inflation, to get 500 back to 1500 at a 1% real growth rate would take close to 100 years.

So we hear the drum of Buy and Hold. There is only 1 way buy and hold makes a return on a 20 year hold, devaluation of the currency. I mean it makes a return, but we are talking under treasury most likely. The 1929 peak was cheaper than the current market and nearly as cheap as the 666 bottom. The 1966 peak was the same. Price those index prints, adjusting the current market to a 3% dividend yield (drop the market about 33%) and see what you get. I bet it isn't even in the neighborhood of 9%, but closer to 7% and the appreciation is closer to 4%. 3% or more of that was devaluation, better known as inflation. (Using 750 as current value to reach dividend yield of 3%, I get a compound return of 4.65% roughly for a 44 year return of about 7.65%, basis 3% and inflation has averaged roughly 4.5%. It is really hard to figure more than a 3% real return out of the current market if you held forever.


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One set of my grandparents have all their retirement put away in Variable and Fixed Annuities. Karl, any chance you could do a radio show dedicated to this topic? I think I can get them to listen to the show but they just won't listen to me and think I'm crazy about the risk they're taking. Been trying to get them to make some changes for the last year.
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It will probably be in the next Blogtalk

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Thanks. They keep telling me about these Guaranteed Income Riders no matter if the market implodes and ****. You've heard it I'm sure.
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Yep. I'll try to make sure I cover it - ping me Monday.

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Quote:
grills a few more brats


Gen's own "Modest Proposal". Kills two birds with one stone, those brats are really expensive to feed, too.

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