More On GMAC/Ally Foreclosures
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Posted 2010-09-20 19:51
by Karl Denninger
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Well, it appears that it is finally happening....

     

To be specific, it appears that:

  • At least one (and perhaps more) "inside officers" in various law firms filed thousands (and maybe tens of thousands) of affidavits they did not read and thus could not have attested to.

  • This practice appears to not be limited to one law firm.  In fact, it may be basically the entire "foreclosure industry" that was involved in this.

  • It is entirely possible that not only did the person filing the affidavit not have the knowledge to make the attestment, but the attestment itself may be false.  More on this below.

  • The Mortgage Bankers Association has a conference in process, and apparently (according to NC) they're "freaking out."  (ed: Good - they should be if their minions have been filing false affidavits by the thousands!)

  • This is likely to derail many foreclosures - at least from a standpoint of time.  It may also void some of them and force them to be re-litigated.  This will have a SEVERE impact on loss severities - at minimum.

  • Worse, in the case of non-agency notes, some of the notes may have never been conveyed properly into the trust in the first place, as I have repeatedly noted for more than a year now!

There are some very serious potential problems here folks.  As you remember I wrote a Ticker about this in 2009 in which I raised the issue of possible endorsement in blank into some of these trusts - and the fact that there are multiple problems with such a thing, including both state law restrictions that bar "in blank" assignments into trusts as well as possible TEFRA implications (1980s law relating to bearer instruments and tax implications thereof.) 

If the time has passed to be able to make reasonable corrections to these so-called "ministerial errors" (and it probably has) then the impact on MBS holders who happen to have the "hot potato" in non-agency securitizations could be catastrophic

In turn you can expect them to come after the institutions (big banks) involved, which could easily wind up in some catastrophic outcomes for them!

This is particularly true if the "back end" processing was intentionally derailed.  A pattern of conduct is entirely different than a "few errors."  If courts and/or prosecutors find that a pattern of conduct was involved in these "errors" to the point that they are deemed intentional then the entire securitization structure collapses on itself as it holds no collateral at all, but rather holds only a naked promise to pay. 

While this doesn't exactly get the owner a "free house" it's damn close especially in states with an unlimited bankruptcy exemption for homestead property, as if the note is deemed "naked" (without security interest) the owner of the house could declare bankruptcy out from under it while keeping the house!

The only thing worse you could add to this might have happened too - we might get a finding that in an attempt to cover up over a trillion dollars in intentional misconduct that these institutions engaged in systemic and intentional forgery.

Small ball or "insignificant"?  I think not - nobody's going to take a trillion dollar reaming without going after everyone and everything involved in this, up and down the line - and that's exactly what this is increasingly looking like it will turn into.

The chuckle factor on this for me is extraordinary, while the pucker factor for those who pulled this garbage ought to be running at about a 9.5.

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Travelerjim
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What if anything does this mean to mortgage holders not with Ally, with respect to legalities but also the price of housing, or is it too early?
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Too early, but a huge smiley cannot be ruled out here.

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The american judiciary has, within it's documented grasp, the power to force the demise of the TBTF banks, and the bk of all the elite MBS, CDS, and pension funds managers worldwide, and to force a "reset" and a "do over and restart", with all real estate belonging to the people from hence forward.

Professionals are often "sloppy" with the paperwork - it never matters UNLESS TSHTF. When tshtf, if your paperwork isn't perfect, when a professional goes to court, they lose and they pay, every time. (as well they should) Professionals are ALWAYS held to a "higher standard" by the courts. It SHOULD work the same with the tbtf elites.

The banks securitization paperwork, assignments, and lack of standing to foreclose is sloppy, fraudulent, illegal, and should result in a massive reset of the liens against every securitized loan in America, forced by the american judiciary.

The courts are the last hope for the weak and powerless in America - WHERE ARE THE GOOD LAWYERS? I know there are brilliant, outstanding, ethical lawyers, I've known many of them. Where are you?

To the legal profession: GO GET EM!

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What about those of us who bought a foreclosure? I am completely freaking out - I bought a foreclosure FROM Wells Fargo 08. (They supposedly bought the house back from the previous non paying owner). I also stupidly put 20% down.
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Go get the reconveyance in the county records - and hope it's there - that shows the previous note (that was foreclosed) was satisfied.

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What I call matador paperwork.

Just 'cause you say so doesn't mean it is.

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I'm not a real-estate person, so in my mind the question arises: Given the chaos you are describing in the paper trails of properties, loan assignments, etc., won't it be tough to write title insurance on a lot of this real estate in the future?
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Uh, yeah.

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Which would make a lot of it difficult to sell at any price, correct? Since there could be no real assurance that title transfers from seller to buyer? Correct?
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Yeap.

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GMAC is partly Owned by the US Government.

If there is negligence and malfeasance here it is a .GOV problem; -a Political Problem.

This problem was know in 2009 when Affidavits were taken.
Nothing was done for months while tens of thousands of Properties were Foreclosed upon and Tens of Thousands were Sold without Clear Title...

This isn't any Legacy Bull**** from George W. Bush: this Disaster rests squarely on Geithner's desk and is Wholly Owned by President Barack Obama.


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Sounds to me like there will be some legislation to deal with this (clouded title) coming down the pike-how it's dealt with will be determined by who writes that legislation, and who bought them to write said laws... betcha it ain't gonna be written for some J6P like me...

Whoever is left standing once this bomb goes off is going to clean up huge, as in TBTF x10... think new Rockefellers/Rothchilds, way beyond filthy rich...

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How do you think Wilbur is feeling tonite servicing all that crap from AHM and Option 1? And is it time to short HRB again for the putbacks that are coming?

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As much as we all hate the banksters, isn't there something just a little "unAmerican" in rooting for the little people to somehow end up with a free house? Unjust enrichment, or have we now lost all sense of "just"?
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We are rooting for "The Rule of Law". Whoever comes out on top, so be it.

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Yes, don't worry about sides, worry about the process.

Right now, the process is almost starting to work.

The chances someone undeserving ends up with a "free house" is almost zero, but even if they do, it was paid for by the losses of the lenders, and their bondholders, and their lenders...

Just make sure that the government doesn't make them whole with your money and pass those losses off to you.
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**** that noise, Larrtarr: these Criminals were after MONEY; and They didn't care about Laws or Due Process.

The Federal Government Itself is complicit in this if only by being negligent in overseeing It's Property/Wards.

Hundreds of Thousands of Homes have been Illegally Foreclosed -Stolen from Their Rightful Owners- and many of them Naked Short/Sold with Clouded Titles.

Who is the Czar Who is going to do hard time for this bull****?

Obama and His Crew of Criminal Dimwits have ****ed this up royally.

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Excellent point Throxxofvron regarding 'fault'. As a whole, I think we're all so caught up in the past we often over look the now. We can get to convicting those in the past any time. All energies are best spent on stopping this stuff going forward.

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The Securities are a total ****ing mess.

The Insurance is a nightmare.

Then there are the CDOs and sundry Derivatives...

The Stock Market is likely to go into convulsions of volatility over this.

Who the hell can value any of these Instruments or Corporations or Properties under these conditions?

This Financial Innovation crap MUST be reined in or simply abolished.

Our whole Economic and Political Infrastructure is in the hands of Corrupt buffoons and Conniving half-wits.

The whole model is a ******ned criminal farce.

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I don't give a **** if people get a free house out of this.

I want this whole ******n fraudulent mess to blow up in a gigantic financial nuclear fireball, and incinerate every firm and individual who touched it.

This bull**** is why we had a housing bubble and it's why we had all this crap happen. The buyers and sellers of this crap, up and down the line, are the reason it happened. You can't get a loan someone isn't willing to SELL you, and they knew full well this crap was defective and in fact being done illegally right up front.

**** 'em.

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Is this something that could be considered to be a "black swan moment?"

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Quote:
I want this whole ******n fraudulent mess to blow up in a gigantic financial nuclear fireball, and incinerate every firm and individual who touched it.


The only way substantial change occurs.

The financial reform is a joke. Written by the fraudsters and pushed through. We haven't hit rock bottom yet.


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YES.

Somebody is royally ****ed.

If this doesn't get all over Obama I'll be shocked.

Affidavits were sworn in December of 2009.
This has been known and verified within Somebody's leg of Justice for nearly a ****ing year and it was not shut down.

DOJ should be rounding up scores of People right now.

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Yes Frat.

So many claims ... so few actual dollars

smiley smiley

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