The Only Part That Mattered In Obama's Telethon
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Posted 2010-09-20 14:36
by Karl Denninger
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The Only Part That Mattered In Obama's Telethon
 

Yes, telethon.

Let me direct you to the only question that had value from an investment perspective:

SANTELLI: Mr. President. If I were to ask an investor would he invest in a company that for every dollar it spent it had to borrow 42 cents, I think that investor would think long and hard. Now if you look at the amount of money the government takes in and the amount of spending, those are pretty much the numbers for our government right now.

Does it bother you that 42 percent of our spending is borrowed even understanding that we have to deficit spend under tough times. How long can the U.S. continue to spend in that fashion without potentially hurting our long time financial health.

OBAMA: Well, it bothers me a lot. It bothered me when I was running for office and it bothered me when I arrived and I had a $1.3 trillion deficit wrapped in a bow and waiting for me in the Oval Office.

So, the answer to Rick's question is we've got to do something about it. And we have to do something about it fairly rapidly. The first thing you do is not dig it deeper. That's why this tax debate is important. We can't give $700 billion away to some of America's wealthiest people. We've got to make sure we're responsible for our budget, that's point #1....

The one thing I have to say to the public is that about 60 percent of our budget is entitlements, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And a lot of the discretion I have is somewhat limited on these programs.

Now part of the reason health-care reform was so important is because the biggest driver of our long term budget deficits is Medicare. If our economy is growing at 2 or 3 or 4 percent, but health care costs are going up 6, or 7 or 8 percent, than the budget will blow up no matter how many cuts I make in other programs...

Right.  But notice how he sidesteps this and tries to turn it into a growth problem?  It's not.

19.6%: Social Security
16.1%: Unemployment/Welfare
12.8%: Medicare
8.2%: Medicaid/SCHIP

56.7% - right now, here, today.

100% - 42% = 58%, or basically the portion of the budget that encompasses entitlements.

Entitlements consume, for all intents and purposes, every dollar of tax receipts in the here and now.  Not tomorrow, not as growth in medical spending occurs, not in the future.

Right here, right now, today.

Note that we haven't spent one nickel on defense yet.  Nor have we paid the interest on the debt, which is quite mandatory.  Nor have we funded one of our so-called "discretionary" programs, including Homeland Security, Energy, Education, HUD, Department of State, Veterans Affairs, Justice or anything else.

What President Obama told you is that The Federal Government has no plan to deal with this, not now and not in the future.  It cannot even meet its own entitlement spending from the taxes it collects, leaving the entirety of the rest of the government, including national defense, to be put on the credit card.

You were told, today, that our government is insolvent.

Not "might become" insolvent if we don't change our ways.

The United States is insolvent, right here, right now, today, and The President announced it for all who cared to listen worldwide on national television.

President Obama says "we can't afford" that $700 billion.  But that number is over 10 years, as are all numbers proffered by the CBO and other agencies when talking about the budget and debt.  Those numbers are thrown around because they make you think they're big now, which is especially important when a politician wants to lie to you about what they can and will do about deficits tomorrow.

In point of fact it's $70 billion a year, or about $5.8 billion a month. 

The Federal Government accumulates, at today's run rates, approximately $4.1 billion in deficits per day

That is, this big fat "$700 billion" amounts to roughly 5% of the deficit, and that is what we would "collect" if taxes go up and people do not shift behavior as a consequence (but they probably will.)

Got it yet?

The "Bush Tax Cuts" are absolutely irrelevant to this discussion.  The problem is not found in taxes and cannot be solved via tax policy.  President Bush, via signing Medicare Part D, dramatically exacerbated this problem, but he was hardly the one who started it.  For that you need to look back to FDR and Eisenhower, along with all the others since including The Right's "standard bearer" Ronald Reagan.

It is mathematically impossible to solve this problem without dramatically cutting back on entitlement spending - by something approximating one third to one half.

That isn't going to happen (voluntarily) either.

So as an investor you are reduced to one - and only one - question:

How long will the "bubble view" of both Treasuries and Equites hold up - that is, for how long will people buy both stocks (at ridiculous bubble-spending levels where the government is providing 12% of GDP's gross amount via deficit borrowing) and bonds (funding said 12% of GDP) before those very same people have sink into their skulls The Admission The President of The United States just made on National Television: WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT TODAY AND STRUCTURALLY NEVER WILL, BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DECREASE SPENDING IN THE PROGRAMS THAT CONSUME ALL OF PRESENT TAX REVENUES.

That's it folks.  That's the only question to ask as a long-term investor.

For how long does the mass-delusion last?

Nothing else matters, because when (not if) that delusion ends the valuations of both stocks and bonds are going to collapse.

Not "dip", not "recede", not "sell off."

Collapse.

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Peterm99
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"For long long does the mass-delusion last?"

SB "For how long . . ."

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It bothered me when I was running for office and it bothered me when I arrived and I had a $1.3 trillion deficit wrapped in a bow and waiting for me in the Oval Office.


A budget deficit that you helped create as a member of the MAJORITY PARTY OF THE UNITED FREAKING STATES FREAKING SENATE at the time, *******.

I really don't know how I can possibly loathe this tool more than I do today.

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I guess he forgot about the Veto Pen?

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we've got to so something about it


got to do
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How can a rational, intelligent person read that and still believe the US Gov about anything?

How can anyone "invest" into that unless they have an angle (read:insider info)?

It's not like this is tin.

Is it because they have ABSOLUTELY no other ideas about what do to with their money?

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You can't invest in a market that behaves in this fashion.

It is behaving exactly as it did in 1999, but in all sectors, most particularly the bond market, which, when it fails, is going to destroy all asset classes.

You can daytrade but you cannot invest.

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I'm not ready for a collapse! I need more time.
Keep up the pretense.

The real rulers will take power when the collapse happen and solve all the financial problems.
Its time to join the army.

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no matter.......we are in rally mode today Karl!!!!

Rally on Wayne.....

Rally on Garth!

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Well all, the "do something" would be to force the issue via tax revolt/withholding and general strike. The only way to effectively do these things is en-masse, not individually. Unless there is a viral organic grass-root movement of same, but under threat of law that's not likely. I believe I will print this ticker and write a letter to my congressman just for the hell of it anyway.
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Yet NBER claims the recession ended June 2009. While they have a delusion for their conclusion, I beg to differ. Hell, even state run CNBS held a poll today where 65% of respondents thought they were worse off than two years ago.
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I have been lurking for quite a while. I believe that this admission by the idiot in chief is a slip-up of massive proportion. The ponzi cannot last much longer. I am grateful for reading here for the last 16 months. Only 2 more months and my immediate family should be ready.
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Kind of bothers me when he says " We can't give $700 billion away to some of America's wealthiest people" as if it is the government's money in the first place. They are TAKING it not GIVING it.

Now you can argue about it being unfair that Lady Gaga, Bill Gates or Peyton Manning make so much money but they do MAKE that much money and it is ridiculous
but typical of a liberal Democrats mindset that their money is viewed as public
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Doesn't matter Sangell.

The amount of money collected in a month is consumed by additional deficit in about 1.5 days in that month.

It is absolutely irrelevant.

This problem cannot be solved via tax policy, no matter how draconian they try to make it, and no matter who they exempt or don't.

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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Is there any way to get this Ticker into a mainstream publication?

Although there's nothing new in here, the beauty of this ticker, IMO, is that it succinctly and unambiguously shows that the leaders of this country, both parties, starting from when the gov't got into the entitlement business up through today, have collectively, increment by increment, created a situation that cannot be salvaged without pretty much dismantling the system as it exists.

And, even the least discerning reader should be able to see that, no matter how it occurs, the dismantling is going to be extremely painful for everyone.

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The big question is this... how long will it for the rest of the world to figure out what we already know? At some point there will be an awakening and then things will go VERY quickly.
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There is something about America that we begin believing in fantasy and ignored reality. Maybe it is my generation which grew up on tv watching star trek or something. Very few Americans have any grasp of reality and I do not believe any Democrats do. As I indicated in another post it is beyond comprehension of Democrats that spending can be cut.

Of course if spending was cut in the entitlement programs that would be an end of the bribes they have been paying out and an end of their party so they are in a Red Queen situation. They have to run faster to just stay in the same place.

Once America gets out of its fantasy and realizes there is no money to pay for the promised benefits that will be the end of socialism dreams and the end of the Democratic party.

Here I thought the Republican party was dead two years ago and I was kind of saying good riddance it might be the Dems who implode.

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They discovered you just have to keep entering '0' into the keyboard and viola, you have as much and more money than you need. And actually it seems like this can go on for a LONG time. Citizens deluded. China and Japan have to keep the Ponzi alive. And it actually doesn't seem like a bad deal so far. Wish they would mail out some to the citizens....but other than that they will just keep printing the money. It's working so far.

And yes I'm being a little sarcastic. But really, no real bad side effects have come from it so far. Go long stocks?
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Ahhh, thanks for fixing the huge blank space to avoid scrolling.

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If the whole thing comes down....SPX 400 is a chipshot.
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Not if.

When.

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Of course if spending was cut in the entitlement programs that would be an end of the bribes they have been paying out and an end of their party so they are in a Red Queen situation. They have to run faster to just stay in the same place.


I tried explaining this to my parents over the weekend - my Dad is a retired HS teacher in NJ. He was whining about Chris Christie wanting to cut back on all his promised and negotiated benefits. Then turned around in the next sentence and complained about his property taxes going up 10%.

Couldn't for the life of him see the connection between the two.

Didn't see it after I explained it to him.

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The long bond will be exchanged for new 10% yielders at $.35 on the dollar.
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The progressive big government idiots of both parties won't stop spending until it all collapses. They can't admit that the entitlements they promised are unsustainable. So this ends with an uncontrolled hard stop of all entitlements and rapidly increasing chaos as all levels of government grind to a halt. Welcome to zombieland.

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Lars... wrote..
this ends with an uncontrolled hard stop of all entitlements and rapidly increasing chaos as all levels of government grind to a halt. Welcome to zombieland.
.....forget zombieland - that's more like French Revolution land!
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