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Gen, that's why I say we defend our own borders.

When they come here and commit acts of aggression, we kill them. But we don't go over there and kill them.

So when you take out your passport and get on a plane, and you're murdered, it's your fault?

The Cole was of course a military target. That was as open a declaration of war as I've seen in a long time, and we should have treated it as one at the time.

If we had 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

Mango,
The cartoonist is already been attacked. Is their official authority in Islam that said stop attacking people. No. Where are these so called peaceful authorities/people in Islam? You can not find them anywhere. Because it is like going against there own book. And the islam won't exist if they defy the book.
The drawings deeply offended many Muslims and sparked protests in January and February 2006 that culminated in the torching of Danish diplomatic offices in Damascus and Beirut, and the death of dozens of people in Nigeria.

In 2008, around 20 Danish newspapers reproduced the drawings triggering further protests in Muslim countries, including Sudan, Egypt, Pakistan, and Indonesia.

In January a Somali man allegedly broke into Westergaard's home and threatened to kill him with an axe and a knife. In 2009 two men were arrested in Chicago allegedly with plans to attack his newspaper, the Jyllands-Posten.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world....

Gen, understand you're fighting an ideology, not a nation-state. When has such a war ever been won where the eventual cost of the war wasn't greater than the benefit of finally winning after all of our own people are lost.

Why was the USS Cole there in the first place? We put our soldiers at risk of unnecessary harm by meddling there.

If we stop meddling there and patrol our own nation, this won't be an issue. We'll kill em when they come here.

As for planes, I've long said airlines should have security on planes, as in Israel.

"fruity liberal"

Chronobound, is that the best you can do is call names and promote the knee jerk hate provoking lexicon of your cult?

And what good does it do to polarize America along these partisan lines?

It's not about "moral equivalency". As a Christian, I naturally think my religion is "better"...or I wouldn't believe in it. It is not a matter of "equivalence" it is a matter of fundamental right to belief..

@Mango: Say hello to my little friend ... [thumped by BAN HAMMER]. That was a screed of stupidity, projection, and lies ...

@Ssg: You need a history lesson or two ... your abject stupidity regarding Muslim aggression is staggering. The truth is out there, beyond your government schooling ...

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Gen, understand you're fighting an ideology, not a nation-state. When has such a war ever been won where the eventual cost of the war wasn't greater than the benefit of finally winning after all of our own people are lost.

Oh I fully understand what we're fighting (or should be anyway.)

Thus, the position I put forward. These folks can decide to eschew violence as "recourse" for alleged slights against their religion, and live in peace.

Or they can not, and be eaten by snakes.

What I will not accept is being told that if I don't pray toward Mecca X times a day I am subject to being murdered simply because I say an Our Father before going to bed, have a crucifix over my headboard, or read a Bible.

If my choice is between open warfare and being killed from the back without warning I'll take the open warfare.

Ok, if that's your policy then why don't you advocate putting our military within our own borders so we can kill the terrorists when they try to come here? By having our troops stretched all around the world we are making ourselves weaker and more susceptible to an attack.

The USA is caught in a Zionist war, deny if you wish but there are too many questions.
http://granddelusion.wordpress.com/false....
Take a look at powerful people in and around the White House, names names.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/435....
What in the hell are we doing in the middle east? If we are playing political games we need to get out and defend the USA.

Apparently Islam is whatever it needs to be to escape responsibility for the actions of its adherents while continuing to wage its eternal war of global conquest.

Ssg: I do. I have repeatedly advocated doing exactly that, including closing the Mexican border with national guard troops armed with live ammunition and an ROE that allows them to shoot. I have also advocated an El-Al-style airline security regime.

We cannot withdraw from the places we are in the world until we secure our energy infrastructure. That ****up took 40 years to commit and it can't be fixed in a week. We can fix it, we must fix it, but until we do fix it we also must secure our energy supplies.

Nonetheless I refuse to believe that the Muzzy fanatics will just leave us all alone if we stop "interfering" where they don't want us to be. Again, I point to the myriad examples of those very same Muzzies who have gotten their rocks off killing people in nations that were not doing anything more than praying the wrong way, with the most-outrageous example being the Philippines, and it is hardly the only one.

From Yermawm:

I see two potential paths here:
-Utter brutality, and submission
-Finding a new prophet to show them why they are wrong.

From what I understand about the Koran, the second path is not allowed...but if a new prophet emerged on the scene...how would you know it? Where would you look for this prophet? I don't think you'll find this person in one of the major churches, synagouges, or mosques. Those folks have a conflict of interest in telling the Truth. They would have to give up their livelihood and earn a living like the rest of us. The person would have to point out the doctrinal errors in Islam and the other major Judeo-Christian religions. There are some major differences in the major religions about our relationship to and with God.

Was Jesus really the Son of God or is that an expression that signifies something else beyond the literal definition? What does it mean to be a Son of Man vs. Son of God?

Is Mary the mother of God or was the story of an ancient virgin birth myth copy/pasted into the NT to give Jesus a deity status?

Why is the New Testament dominated by Paul's writing, when he wasn't even an apostle and never met Jesus? How much of the NT has been revised by the Romans to "manage and direct" the Christian religion?

Was Mohammed the last prophet?

What did Malachi mean when he mentioned Elijah coming again? Is this a reference to reincarnation?

And on and on and on...

Unfortunately, I'm afraid it's going to take a major escalation in violence before any cool heads will agree to sit together with or without a "prophet" and reconcile (not discuss) these differences in doctrine. God help us.

@Mango

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... what drew from you this racist vitriol Karl?

So labeling people 'racist', who have clearly stated why Islam is a theopolitical aberration and not a religion, makes you the winner. Check.

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... is that the best you can do is call names and promote the knee jerk hate provoking lexicon of your cult?

And we are now in the 'cult of Karl' - which you stated on the last page - for seeing what is plainly demonstrated by Islam as promotional violence. Check.

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Sushihorn. I don't give a flying **** what happens in the Middle East, I care about what happens in US borders.

Well of course not.

That would force you to confront reality. Which is that moslems behave the same way through all of history regardless of any perceived "provocation" on the part of the victims. Ignorance allows you to conveniently ignore the entire mountain range of evidence contrary to your dogma. Burying your head in the sand may make you feel morally superior but it's a lousy way to determine policy of any sort.

uhh no. what i'm saying is I'm not about killing violent people IN OTHER COUNTRIES. If they come here I'll kill them.

I wonder what the game theory looks like in regards to killing around 1.5 billion people? What is the most efficient means? Or do you think mass rejection of an ethos happens after 500 million or so deaths?

Isn't that where this is headed? If Islam itself is the problem, and the peacful solution is voluntary rejection of ingrained tenets, then I see no other way.

Christian church torn apart and burned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLfw6Y03O....


If someone burns a bible, the torah, destroys ancient hindu temples no one does a thing. But my how we cower and shake in fear if we offend the fanatic legions of the pedophile prophet...........

To prove we still have a pair, maybe we all should burn a koran this weekend and then draw a picture of Mohamid, take a***** on it and for good measure post it on youtube.

For a more Solomon-like solution, you could always kidnap the top 10 leaders in each faith and give them 1 week to reconcile their differences. If there is no reconciliation, then all are killed and you start the process over with the next set of "leaders". If they are truly Men of God, then this should be a piece of cake...right? This approach is preferable to killing millions of people.

Why put the burden of doctrinal proof on the common man, when the most learned leaders of each faith should be accountable.

@Ssg263

I hate to bring up this analogy, but had we thought that during the Nazi occupation of Europe, we would be speaking German today. You realize Nazi Germany was less than one year from developing the Atom bomb and would have dropped it here, on our shores, in a nanosecond. In fact, after Germany invaded Poland and Britain declared war, we did just that - sat on our hands until we were dragged kicking and screaming into WWII with Pearl Harbor. There is more blood on America's hands (Jewish extermination) from ignoring Hitler than all the wars combined.

Eventually the cancer must be dealt with ...

Personally, I don't give a **** with what muslims do outside our borders. I do care about what they do INSIDE our borders, and the political correctness we give them to walk all over us.

I give a **** if they're interested in acquiring an atomic weapon and a means of delivering it.

Note that "means of delivering it" could be as simple as a reasonably-large pleasure boat or any commercial vessel in which one could hide both it and the shielding required to evade detection, which means we cannot allow them to acquire one as we must presume they will use it.

On us.

@Karl:

Exactly.

@Chronobound:

Putting your head in the sand does not make the predator go away or any less aggressive. Read some history ...

I think my earlier post was misunderstood. I no more support radical Islam than I support radical Zionism. Murder is murder, regardless of the name of your God. My view is this: if this book burning takes place, people will die as a result. Thus, while I wholeheartedly support the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, I believe that for a Christian institution to angrily burn the Qoran is un-Christian and evil. Should they be allowed to do it? Hell yes. Should they do it. Hell no.

Sorry to have*****ed you off Karl - but you opened the door.

I disagree Steel.

Burning a book is NOT "imminent incitement" that triggers responsibility not to take an action that is otherwise protected.

Burning a book is political speech just as is burning a flag.

@Steelhead23

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My view is this: if this book burning takes place, people will die as a result.

So blame the messenger for using his Bic lighter to ignite ink on paper, not the murderers. Check.

Bohemian....what we need to do is stop FINANCING this stuff. Let's prosecute the bankers who give these violent organizations capital.

Hitler and Al Qaeda, what do they have in common? Both were financed to power by American banks.