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Posted 2010-05-18 08:10
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Now I have seen it all - "inflation is the solution to all problems" Pritchard has officially capitulated in print!

Personally, I have changed my mind on Greece. My initial reaction earlier this year was that it had to be saved to avoid a sovereign Lehman. Many posters on this blog cried “shame”, saying it was just another moral hazard rescue for bankers. They were right. I flagellate myself and wear a dunce’s hat.

The correct policy would have been – and still is – to help Greece out of its debt-deflation death spiral through an orderly “pre-emptive debt restructuring” along the lines of the IMF package for Uruguay. In Greece’s case it would require a haircut of 50 per cent or so for foolhardy creditors, ie your bank and mine, your pension fund and mine. This would not do much good unless Greece also devalued by 30 per cent to 40 per cent to retrieve competitiveness and put the whole fixed-exchange nightmare behind it.

My God, one of the chief money-printing apologists for the world has finally woken up and discerned that it won't work because it mathematically can't!

It took The Senate slamming its fist on the table and saying "NO DAMNIT!" to do it, but happen it did.

Then there's this:

This time the concern isn’t about subprime mortgages or exotic derivatives, it’s about banks’ holdings of bonds sold by European Union governments including Greece, Portugal and Spain. Pledges of $1 trillion in EU aid have failed to shore up the euro or dispel doubts about the region’s finances.

That's because what was done could never work in the first place.

Josef Ackermann, the chief executive officer of Germany’s largest bank, said in an interview on ZDF television last week that it’s imperative to avoid a restructuring of Greece’s debt for now, even as he expressed doubts about the country’s ability to pay back its borrowings in full.

You mean it's imperative that his institution, among others, is not forced to recognize losses on bonds that they bought and then held no reserves upon, flipping them through the magic of repo lines so as to "lever them" to the moon.  As such there have been no reserves held and there is no margin.  Further, due to the "wonderful transparency" of the European banking system we have no freaking clue exactly how bad it really is!  Their governments won't force accurate and honest disclosure just as ours has allowed intentional lying about balance sheet "assets" and off-balance sheet garbage.

Here's reality folks - despite the "monetarist" view that nations can spend whatever they wish by borrowing it and "deficits don't matter", in point of fact they do matter.  Eventually people discern that you're unlikely to pay in full and the interest rate demanded goes up.

When this point is reached the "adjustment" in market rates does not come slowly or with lots of warning and time, just as it does not when the credit card company jacks you to the moon.  It comes all at once, "in your face", and without warning.

The United States had better learn from this before we get to experience it.

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It is unclear where this leaves the EU’s $1 trillion “shock and uh” package. Urlich Leuchtmann from Commerzbank said the IMF share of $320bn was the only genuine money on the table, the rest being largely euro smoke and mirrors, or plain bluff.
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So, I hate to ask this again. But lets say Greece issues it's own currency and then devalues it by 40%.

Is that an occurance of hyperinflation? (it sure would be to the Greek people as everything imported and oil based products just went up by 40%)

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Just another nail in the Euro's coffin?

There's going to be some violence in Europe before this is over.

The generally petty street violence that we've seen in Greece these last few weeks is but the visible part of the iceberg when it comes to what awaits them.

I fear that austerity will result in similar violence in America as "austerity" nails pension holders and "entitlement" recipients in the shorts.

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What did Obama commit to IMF? Wasn't it 100B? IMF will just have a fit and say too
late, we have a contract with EU. All the money AFTER the fact applies to the new laws.

This could go real "western" if IMF ****z won't do what they are told. Or is that
part of game? American taxpayers screwed again. Betcha.
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Just what I have been saying. Not a greece bailout, but another ponzi bank bailout.
Just like with TARP.
"we gotta do it, or we crash everything! Hurry, no time for debate, all held harmless, before the smart people figure it out and stop us!"
And then, like Larry bummers,"So what, we can change our mind, about policy at anytime."
Sure, change your policy after you complete the scam.

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Hehehe, Karl, I thought you might have a comment or two after I posted AEP's article this a.m. smiley

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Greece is nothing, it has already happened.

The USA is the next thing, the European Union will be decimated and eaten by wolves. I don't see any sign that the US will ever do the right thing, too many people have been payed off, too many politicians have been bought and sold.

Even before the bones of Europe have been picked clean the wolves will pounce on the fat fetid cow that is the US.

The bitter medicine that Greece should be forced to take is exactly the same medicine that the US must take. WE AINT GOING TO DO IT, without fear of death that is.

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Ferom the article..

"It instructs the US representative at the IMF to determine whether a country with a public debt above 100 per cent of GDP can be expected to repay IMF loans. If this cannot be certified, the US must oppose the rescue package."

If the US considers 100% of GDP to be the breaking point, how much longer do we have?

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An intermediation problem, not a liquidity problem
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I'm trying to get my head around the differences between the US and the EU. Most of the US states don't have high debt to GDP (although they certainly have cash-flow issues). The feds more than make up for that, though.

With the EU, the member states (the PIIGS, at least) have mind-boggling debt/GDP. But the EU as an entity doesn't have any debt, or does it?

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“... In Greece’s case it would require a haircut of 50 per cent or so for foolhardy creditors, ie. your bank and mine, your pension fund and mine.”


Wait a minute ... I wasn't a foolhardy creditor. Why should I suffer when the fool was my pension fund manager.
(Everybody's pension fund manager).
The banks are getting the bailout money so that they don't have to admit that they ****ed up and lost my savings/pension fund.

White collar crime will always pay if the bookkeepers are never punished for using other peoples money to go gambling in the casino.

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Greek minister sacked over husband’s taxes
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I'm trying to get my head around the differences between the US and the EU.


Reserve currency.
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Considering that AEP is one of the mouthpieces of the City pigman tribe, the question would be whether he took leave or was told to write the article.
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"But lets say Greece issues it's own currency and then devalues it by 40%. "

So Greece would forcibly (by fiat:-) change EUR loans into GRD and then devalue. Local people (Greeks) would still owe the same relative amount e.g. 100k now in GRD instead of EUR like their earnings, but foreigners would find they had 40% less. Since Greece, like most countries, has an annual deficit then they have the problem of who would lend to them when they had again defaulted. Of course with their own currency they could print money but they would need to earn foreign currency for their imports.

Yes, imports would cost more, so hard times for Joe Greek, any sensible Joe Greek would have moved any money off-shore by then.

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Damn, it looks like I will need to get the rest of my money out of the Euro as well - just in case they decide the Eurozone is a whole (even though held together by sticky tape) and has to devalue as a whole...
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just in case they decide the Eurozone is a whole (even though held together by sticky tape) and has to devalue as a whole...


They did that last weekend.
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Here's reality folks - despite the "monetarist" view that nations can spend whatever they wish by borrowing it and "deficits don't matter", in point of fact they do matter. Eventually people discern that you're unlikely to pay in full and the interest rate demanded goes up.


Might I suggest that you spell out what higher interest rates mean in an economy supported by debt-driven consumption? I'll give it a shot. If you thought round one of this recession was bad, wait until we have round 2. As borrowing costs rise, asset values, like housing, must fall. As housing prices fall and interest rates rise, more folks would be underwater, more loans would go bad, and more banks would fail. Unemployment might reach 20%. That is, just as the government is forced to live within its means, forcing a reduction in social welfare spending, more Americans would be out of work, hungry, and out in the cold. And, in the parlance of poli-sci, such monumental government failure would likely precipitate a legitimation crisis - a condition that can result in substantial upheaval in political systems. Buckle up, its going to be a rough ride.


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The correct policy would have been – and still is – to help Greece out of its debt-deflation death spiral through an orderly “pre-emptive debt restructuring” along the lines of the IMF package for Uruguay. In Greece’s case it would require a haircut of 50 per cent or so for foolhardy creditors, ie your bank and mine, your pension fund and mine. This would not do much good unless Greece also devalued by 30 per cent to 40 per cent to retrieve competitiveness and put the whole fixed-exchange nightmare behind it.
He's still half-wrong. Devaluation is naked robbery of those who saved.

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