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| So THAT'S Who The Violent Protestors Are! in forum [Market-Ticker]
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4263
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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Jinroh
Posts: 779
Incept: 2009-05-05
Room 101
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Janet much like the MSM,are not at all interested in the truth,that would only get in the way of the agenda they have.The same agenda the SPL has.
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Constitution Class taught by Michael Badnarik :
http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Dmm219
Posts: 320
Incept: 2009-08-14
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Man, that bottom part looks shopped to me...just sayin....
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Asimov
Posts: 104066
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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If it's photoshopped, it all is. The handwriting matches.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Yep. The stylizing matches and what's more damning, under magnification at the pixel level the anti-aliasing matches.
If it's two photos taken from the same camera and pasted together, that I might believe. But that lower part was pretty clearly NOT created in an image tool and pasted in.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Nomullet
Posts: 6827
Incept: 2007-11-11
SW
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Photoshop raw files and then downsize/compress.
That being said, the top sign is enough to make me want to kick them all out.
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Don't confuse clear thinking with simplistic thinking.
--Nomullet
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Maybe NoMullet, but the amateur-style photoshop job stuff isn't evident here.
Unfortunately the sign isn't throwing SHADOWS - those are very hard to get right.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Mikeit83
Posts: 964
Incept: 2009-06-19
East Coast
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My concern, and why I hold caution, is the white blotch below "us" on the upper sign at the bottom. What do you guys see there?
Some of the other tech sites I frequent have come to the same conclusions you guys have. Hand writing matches- but they are pointing to "serifs"... which I guess are pen marks left from lifting the pin.
The thought is that the lower text appears to have been blown up in size.
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Horsewithnonick
Posts: 36
Incept: 2009-04-03
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Wow.
If 'shopped, it would have to be a professional job - but the sign is so far over the top I wonder - hope? - if it is someone in the crowd parodying the mob.
If not...just wow.
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Here's an "enhanced" copy.
Note the anti-aliasing matches and what looks like a staple DEAD CENTER on the pole (dark shadow) on the lower panel under the "T".
If someone faked this, they went to some trouble to do it.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Nomullet
Posts: 6827
Incept: 2007-11-11
SW
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Not sure if you resized for your site, but if you open in textpad it says 'adobe' in the header.
I would have a hard time believing this unless the headers from the camera were intact. If someone can come up with an original file for this it would be great.
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Don't confuse clear thinking with simplistic thinking.
--Nomullet
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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NoMullet, it has been resized. I noted that in my analysis that I added to the bottom of the TICKER.
Very few people are going to post original high-def images from a camera. They're HUGE, even from things like the camera in my cellphone.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Mikeit83
Posts: 964
Incept: 2009-06-19
East Coast
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Nomullet
Posts: 6827
Incept: 2007-11-11
SW
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Can you post the original? Skimmed your ticker- am supposed to be getting ready for work.
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Don't confuse clear thinking with simplistic thinking.
--Nomullet
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Mikeit83
Posts: 964
Incept: 2009-06-19
East Coast
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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The Ticker's image is as I received it. If you click it, you will get the large copy as I have it.
I am trying to track down an original photo copy (and have been since last night when I first got this) but have been unable to - all of the others have been resized as well.
However, I see no evidence of manipulation in the image OTHER THAN resizing. While resizing can hide manipulation (if the work was done at a MUCH higher resolution) you can usually still see the artifacts, particularly in the anti-aliasing differences, and this is ESPECIALLY true if the source for the "overlay" was digitally created instead of being photographed.
There is no evidence to support that in the file I have.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Hapablap21
Posts: 786
Incept: 2007-08-21
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Mikeit83
Posts: 964
Incept: 2009-06-19
East Coast
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That analyzer tool is flagging the bottom part of the poster. Top part seems un-altered. Top part is enough to***** me off.
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Trades50
Posts: 4218
Incept: 2007-10-30
Land of Tax and Spend
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The bottom of the sign looks to be altered.
It's getting tougher to trust news and content because everybody is pushing their agenda.
I posted some news item on this board and later found out it was fake.
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When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
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Genesis
Posts: 130798
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Mike, I did - it's inconclusive. The range of errors is not out of bounds with other parts of the image.
Again, what I want is a full-resolution copy to examine VERY CLOSELY, but I can't find one. The others on the Net have been at least resized as well.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Mikeit83
Posts: 964
Incept: 2009-06-19
East Coast
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bah- that tool i shared (error analyzer) is crap. I took this picture...  And its flagging just about everything in it. And I have literally not touched a thing- its straight off the camera and uploaded to photobucket. |
Chainlink
Posts: 1101
Incept: 2008-10-26
Detroit River
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IT'S SHOPPED! Unless there was the remote chance he took a larger piece of posterboard and attached it to the short, white sign BEHIND it and then wrote over the edges of the front sign. The front lettering extends beyond the back signs dimensions. Also looks like some whitish "photoshop erase marks" not counting just the grey pixels were there is no text. I doubt THIS guy would carry a sign with this wording. Looks too educated to be one of the bunch, and I KNOW MY SPANISH people...
Not that it matters, but a slim chance he's Mexican, might be Cuban, PR, South American.
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"There's a "collective brain-trust" on TF?
Are they in jars, with electrodes?"
Bezzle ends my 16 month search for a signature.
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Asimov
Posts: 104066
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Asimov
Posts: 104066
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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Note: Quote:It is worth noting that edges and areas red in colour are often depicted as brighter in the ELA tests. This due to the way the photos are saved by various programs. It is not proof that image was manipulated.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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