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Berkleyreindeer
Posts: 665
Incept: 2008-07-22
Minneapolis , MN
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is there actually someone more influential than goldman sachs?
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It'll get worse. Just wait.
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Tesla
Posts: 15541
Incept: 2008-04-03
State of Disbelief
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Very nice. Now if they'd only start selling off their T-bills....
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Jstanley01
Posts: 8176
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
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It's a helluva day when the freakin' Commies in China are the only ones left to teach the world what capitalism is about.
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You can't cheat an honest man. ~P.T. Barnum
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Antone
Posts: 7659
Incept: 2008-02-03
Seditionia, USSA
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I'm going with:
Goldman Sachs
Credit Suisse
UBS
Deutsche Bank
JP Morgan
Morgan Stanley
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As if anything has changed:
Wir sind gefickt.
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Habitliar
Posts: 593
Incept: 2007-12-02
Alabama
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I loved that ticker. And to Antone....i'm not so sure. These Chinese guys could do like the Japanese did and go 'kamikaze'. Willing to lose it all to do damage.
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Antone
Posts: 7659
Incept: 2008-02-03
Seditionia, USSA
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Nah, not to win, sorry for the confusion. That was just my best guess as far as who the six are. Maybe Soc Gen instead of one of them, but I think GS and JPM are definitely involved.
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As if anything has changed:
Wir sind gefickt.
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Lapri
Posts: 4
Incept: 2009-07-07
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Can the U.S. do the same to China re: debt repayment? Or tell Chinese that we will buy back the debt they hold at 40 cents on a dollar?
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Mrbill
Posts: 7841
Incept: 2008-10-19
North Carolina
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Can't really tell who owns what, can you? I mean, can't China just sell it's bond holdings to someone else, who then gets full repayment?
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Asimov
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Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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I'd love to know the banks, but whichever it is, we'll probably find out tomorrow. Unless they all dump.
Nasty little situation though, because I'm sure there are plenty of US banks among them. Who probably had had no reason to hedge because the US government backs their riskiest ****.
(insert SNL chuchlady voice) Well, Isn't THAAAATT speeeecccialll.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Markytom
Posts: 272
Incept: 2009-02-19
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I remember reading an article about a year ago on how the US Government was whining that China wasn't playing along very nicely with the CDO nonsense, and the US was pressing them hard to buy more derivatives. I googled a little and found something similar - the below excerpt was written two years ago - the Chinese knew the US housing bubble was on it's way to popping then - how come Ben, Tim, Paulson, etc. didn't listen? This crap about nobody knew - it was documented two years ago by the Chinese. I guess China did buy some of the crap anyway and now they want the US con artists to eat it. China shying from shaky US mortgage market
By Olivia Chung
HONG KONG - While China is eager to invest a portion of its US$1.33 trillion foreign-exchange reserve overseas, it is unlikely to take a chance on buying additional US mortgage-backed securities (MBS) as they are now considered too risky, Chinese economists said.
During a recent trip to Beijing, US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary Alphonso Jackson tried to sell China on the idea of buying more MBS. Investing in MBS offers better returns for China than US Treasury bonds, and at the same level of risk, Jackson claimed.
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Yi said some bond ratings agencies that advise investors, including Chinese, also purposely played down the MBS risk. "Some ratings agencies slapped investment-grade ratings on mortgage-backed bonds that they knew they were risky," he charged.
Bond-rating agencies this month finally downgraded about $12 billion worth of subprime US mortgage securities, Yi said.Economist Shi Weigan echoed Yi's comments. "With a possible burst in the housing bubble in the US, it's not the right choice for Beijing to spend foreign-exchange reserve funds on the US mortgage-backed securities," Shi said. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Busin.... |
Wakeupcall
Posts: 4232
Incept: 2009-06-08
Hampton Roads, VA
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Any idea how much money we're talking about here?
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Glock36
Posts: 327
Incept: 2009-06-03
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When I read this on August 4, 2009, all that I could think of was about a year ago when I said that if I was China or Russia and the **** going on at NYSE and NYMEX/COMEX I would have a nuclear sub parked off of Wall Street. Quote:WASHINGTON — A pair of nuclear-powered Russian attack submarines has been patrolling off the eastern seaboard of the United States in recent days, a rare mission that has raised concerns inside the Pentagon and intelligence agencies about a more assertive stance by the Russian military. If you take on China, you take on Russia and both are*****ED OFF!
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Sushihorn
Posts: 7802
Incept: 2007-10-22
Arlington, TX
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I was expecting the event triggering the "asset freeze" to be a political confrontation of some sort. It may work out the same after a while if the banks get a court judgement and Chinese assets are seized to satisfy it. Looks like China may have just embarked upon a course of mutual expropriation - whether deliberately or not, we'll probably never know.
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Moroni
Posts: 2182
Incept: 2008-12-03
New York, NY
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The Chinese have out-Hugo'ed Hugo Chavez. LOL.
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"Those institutions and individuals who insist upon clinging to the dying past will wither with it. Those who understand the death process will not mourn the passing of the old,
but instead celebrate the birth of the new paradigm." - Gerald Celente, Trends Journal Q12010, Page 20
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Realist
Posts: 124
Incept: 2009-07-14
Pennsylvania
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What goes around comes around
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Hirooonoda
Posts: 131
Incept: 2009-07-31
Banned
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Amazing. When will this s*it ever end?
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Hihoherewego
Posts: 931
Incept: 2009-02-25
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It appears the Chinese just englished a Sizzling Szechuan sh*tpingpong ball back over the net and they kept their serve.
Big wars have been started over smaller things - like assassination.
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Liberty isn't free.
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Centurion
Posts: 76
Incept: 2009-05-14
DFW
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Quote:SOEs reserved the right to default on contracts, Oh just wait until that little spectre called NATIONALIZATION starts creeping up. And a second thought: This is how trade and real wars get started.
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Moroni
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Incept: 2008-12-03
New York, NY
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Quote:Oh just wait until that little spectre called NATIONALIZATION starts creeping up. I believe it will eventually come over there. Only they'll follow the US example of Nationalization and call it "Asset Forfeiture in relation to a crime".
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"Those institutions and individuals who insist upon clinging to the dying past will wither with it. Those who understand the death process will not mourn the passing of the old,
but instead celebrate the birth of the new paradigm." - Gerald Celente, Trends Journal Q12010, Page 20
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Throxxofvron
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I guess We now know why China is swapping MBS for Treasuries down at the FED...
This could precipitate a Multi-National wave of Rolling Repudiation and Default on all sorts of Debts, SIVs, Derivatives and Other Commitments.
These acts would likely precipitate a nasty Trade War or Military Conflict.
Is there any comment on this from the State Department?
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DIONYSUS: " Thou hast no knowledge of the life thou art leading; thy very existence is now a mystery to thee. " -from 'The Bacchantes' By Euripides “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell
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Hihoherewego
Posts: 931
Incept: 2009-02-25
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Quote:SOEs reserved the right to default on contracts,.... Shouldn't that really read, "....the right to default on breached contracts." ? |
Todaystomsawyer
Posts: 538
Incept: 2008-10-13
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So does this mean BOHICA for the U.S. Taxpayer since IBs in the U.S. never lose?
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Nymonkey
Posts: 101
Incept: 2007-07-10
NY
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Suppose they actually go through will this, that would most likely mean no US financial insitution or any for that matter would take a chance on doing business w/them in the future. Are they that fed up they are willing to go down that road? Seems a bit short sighted.
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Moroni
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Incept: 2008-12-03
New York, NY
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Quote:Suppose they actually go through will this, that would most likely mean no US financial insitution or any for that matter would take a chance on doing business w/them in the future. Are they that fed up they are willing to go down that road? Seems a bit short sighted. Businessmen are short-sighted. Mao took over and it wasn't even 25 years later (with Mao still breathing) before US businessmen were begging to get back in. Look at Cuba and how many US businessmen are begging to get back in, with Fidel still alive.
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"Those institutions and individuals who insist upon clinging to the dying past will wither with it. Those who understand the death process will not mourn the passing of the old,
but instead celebrate the birth of the new paradigm." - Gerald Celente, Trends Journal Q12010, Page 20
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