They Haven't Learned a Damn Thing
The Market Ticker ® - Commentary on The Capital Markets
Posted 2009-02-10 10:32
by Karl Denninger
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They Haven't Learned a Damn Thing
 

From the NY Times:

Geithner has been working the financial meltdown for a while. The basic lesson he has drawn is that the federal government has been too constrained. Occasionally, policy makers would step on the accelerator and bail out a bank, but then they’d step on the brake, worrying about moral hazard or inflation.

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The key, he says, is to create “massive, sustained and substantial macroeconomic policy” that would pump capital into markets to get them working again. The heart of his program is a series of public-private investment funds with names like the Legacy Asset Partnership Bank and the Consumer and Business Lending Initiative. One would acquire toxic assets. One would foster consumer and small-business lending. “There’s a lot of private capital out there that wants to come in. It just can’t get the financing,” Geithner insists. The new programs would encourage private investors, and then once the markets are unfrozen, would “get out as quickly as possible.”

There's the money quote right there.

There is a lot of private capital that wants to come in but it will only do so if it can lever up at obscene ratios, and be protected against getting blown to pieces when it's wrong.

The problem with this "solution" is that fundamentally this is exactly how we got here in the first place.  Obscene leverage and the illusory ability to offload the risk to some faceless "sucker", which was great only until the suckers lost money and got*****ed off, refusing to buy a second time.

What TaxCheatTimmy proposes now is to do more of the same that got us into this mess in the first place, except this time, the sucker is YOU, the Taxpayer, and you can't say "no".

Well, not through any legal means anyway.

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Widgeon
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gov't to guarantee gambling losses.

The hour is nearly struck for me to remove all my monopoly money from my "trading" account.
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Only TTT could call $2.5T over 6 months "hitting the brake."

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Finally, I disagree w/ your "Title." They have learned ... they've learned they can get away with it.

Thanks for all your efforts ... Really, Sincere Thanks.
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You're wrong Gen. They've learned one thing.... that they can get away with it.
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Quote:
What TaxCheatTimmy proposes now is to do more of the same that got us into this mess in the first place, except this time, the sucker is YOU, the Taxpayer, and you can't say "no".

Well, not through any legal means anyway.
This course of action is legal. Fundamentally so, actually:
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When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security...

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“There’s a lot of private capital out there that wants to come in. It just can’t get the financing,”

It's unbelievable that he can say something like that with a straight face.
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There’s a lot of private capital out there that wants to come in. It just can’t get the financing


What does this even mean ? How does "private capital" need "financing" ?

Last I looked, private capital could still buy Ts, bank shares and corporate paper without any help. In fact, keeping money in money markets IS supporting the capital markets.

So what is he really saying ?

As Genesis said, leverage and guaranteed protection from loss is the only thing that will get capital to "invest" when it's not profitable to do so otherwise.

Our old friend "moral hazard" at work.

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“There’s a lot of private credit out there that wants to come in. It just can’t get the financing,”

fixed.
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What does this even mean ? How does "private capital" need "financing" ?


The American way. Lots of people want to play with OPM. None wants to play with their own in this crooked environment.
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He's positioning the NEW, new, really new derivatives. You know, funded by the fed, guaranteed by Treasury, no recourse 400% profit ROI. And then, they can leverage some of THAT, too.

I want some, but unfortunately, it's all been allocated......

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timmy has been in NY for too long. he doesn't even understand the difference between capital and margin. what a loser.

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