Idiocracy, Part Deux (for Today)
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Posted 2009-02-02 09:54
by Karl Denninger
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Idiocracy, Part Deux (for Today)
 

From "Redstate" we have this:

"The government debt market is where the real action is. The yield curve has been neurotically steepening and flattening as participants weigh the broadly offsetting influences on prices for governments: the steadily worsening economic news tends to support prices, and the gargantuan amounts of new issuance push the other way."

Neurotic eh?

You got half of it right.  The gargantuan new issuance.

I wouldn't exactly call this action neurotic in the 10 year Treasury Yield (in tenths of a percent)

I would instead call it the expected reaction when one tries to cram 10lbs of crap into a 5lb can.  Prices go down, yields go up.  This is simple supply and demand - nothing more or less.

If you have more supply for a given amount of demand, price goes down.  In the bond world this means yield (interest rates) go up.

The worse news is that there is only a certain amount of money in the world, and when Treasury decides to try to suck it all up to dispense to their bankster buddies it has to come from somewhere.

That "somewhere" is going to be stock prices.

I am continually astonished at how people simply don't get the basic fact that "money" - that is, real investable capital - is not infinite.  I know, it felt infinite when you could get leverage (debt) to buy anything, but those days are over.

That's why the LBO market is dead, the commercial and residential real estate speculation market is dead and Wall Street is crying in its beer over their inability to siphon off more and more of your money and turn it into yachts and mansions in The Hamptons.

The paradox here is that Treasury claims it wants low home mortgage rates and a strong economy and a strong stock market.  To get these things it believes it can sell nearly-unlimited ($2+ trillion) in debt in the form of new issue supply during this year in order to subsidize the losses of various segments in the economy from home builders to banks.

This assertion is beyond stupid and those who believe it deserve to be flensed by the media but of course doing that would mean stepping on their "advertisers" (when it comes to financial media, ala CNBS), all of whom are sell-siders hellbent and determined on selling you "mustard seeds."

The markets are of course not beholden to advertisers and will do the flensing of those who buy into this stupidity with their money in due course.

The fact of the matter is that in order to keep down rates (that is keep up prices) while at the same time issuing near-unlimited amounts of new debt Treasury and The Fed must foment a stock market crash in order to scare what capital is available into government bonds!

This was in fact done twice in the last year by The Fed, and The Fed admitted it once in their Year-End SOMA report in early 2008.  They claimed they "didn't expect" the result they got when they drained the slosh - uh huh. 

That's why on September 24th, during negotiations on the EESA/TARP, I noted a similar intentional drain in The Slosh by Bernanke and faxed the linked PDF to all 535 Congressfolk, warning them.  What did the market do?  Here's your chart - the period in question has been highlighted just in case that cliff-dive isn't obvious on its own.....

These events are not "accidents" folks.  They are a consequence of supply and demand, and in many cases, intentional manipulation.

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as unlimited capital and as such when you have extraordinary supply shoved into the market prices will fall.  To counteract this you must intentionally upset the natural balance of where that capital would go, effectively "scaring" money into your desired asset class.

The inescapable conclusion is that in order to get the sort of low yields that The Fed and Treasury want (which are necessary in order to get their desired "4%" mortgage rates) Treasury can do only one of two things:

  1. Stop issuing massive amounts of debt, thereby making Treasury Bills and bonds short in supply for the given demand, thus forcing prices higher (and yields lower) OR
  2. Literally scare money into Treasuries despite gargantuan supply, exploiting the view of "safety" that people have in Treasury debt.  This in turn requires intentionally fomenting a stock market crash.

If you're wondering why the stock market had its worst January on record, you need to talk to Treasury about its extraordinary issuance of debt that is crowding out money in the stock market, along with the government's scaremongering.  And if you're wondering why we had a crash in September and October, go talk to Bernanke, who intentionally drained the slosh in the system as Congress was debating the EESA bill - a quite-transparent (and successful) attempt to cause a massive stock market sell-off to support what he and Paulson wanted - $700 billion in taxpayer funds for their banker buddies and suppression of Treasury yields.

None of this is an accident and the data necessary to figure out what is happening and why is all available to anyone who cares to look and perform a bit of HONEST reporting.

Oh, and before you close the book on this ugly little chapter you might want to contemplate what happens to both the bond and stock markets if demand for our bonds were to disappear due to, oh, China for instance, deciding it didn't want to buy any more of them.

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Slosh is telling us something now, too.

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Gen,

Nice work.


What program do you use for capturing "screenshots".



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I just screen snapshot it, pull it into Photoshop and crop as appropriate.

I have a very old (V6) Photoshop license - it may not be "CS" but it works just fine.

GIMP works too and is free; I'm just more familiar with Photoshop - if I didn't have the license I'd take the time to learn GIMP.

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Speaking of PhotoShop, for the less financially literate, you might want to label that chart Ten Year Treasury (it kinda got cut off in TOS).

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thx

I use MS OneNote and Jot

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"Flensed" will have them scrambling for their dictionaries.

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print screen, then open up paint, then click on paste, then save.
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Hi Gen - neube question for you - can you please explain what you mean by "draining the slosh" and how the Federal Reserve was doing this in the fall of 2008?

you've written "The water is "slosh" - or liquidity." and that in the Federal Reserve can either try to add liquidity or get rid of it. Draining I take to mean means get rid of liquidity - which sounds deflationary - you are taking credit out of the market - so the value of cash goes up and stock prices fall. But in Sept/Oct they kept saying we have a liquidity crisis - and they lowered rates and threatened quantitative easing - those seem to indicate an attempt to increase credit or slosh?

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What they SAID and what they were DOING Will were two different things.

The data is public and the screenshot proving their actions was included in the PDF that I faxed to Congress.

What they were DOING as the EESA/TARP was being debated was intentionally draining liquidity while CLAIMING to be doing the opposite.

Why? Well, what do you think happens when you have lots of supply (of stocks) and remove the money to buy them with?

The crash was intentionally fomented.

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If you're using vista, it has a snipping tool that's wonderful for catching just part of the screen without having to deal with another program. SnippingTool.exe

Actually one of my favorite doodads they put into vista.

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PAINT!

Nice tip Asimov! That saves a couple of steps.

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"I am continually astonished at how people simply don't get the basic fact that "money" - that is, real investable capital - is not infinite. I know, it felt infinite when you could get leverage (debt) to buy anything, but those days are over."

So how many of the executives, of wall street, are on this list?

Your tickers are great, and unfortunately "continually astonishing".


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will: slosh = repos outstanding - repos maturing

because repo rates are controlled by the fed, they control the slosh.

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I'm a n00b, at technical analysis. From what i've seen, it looks like since we broke through the moving average, and seem to be in a positive channel. Would it be fair to say that we will be at least testing around the ~35 area? In the short term.

Good Ticker, I really love this sort of stuff, haha. It's become my morning addiction. I MUST read the forum before I go to class. :D

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Idiocracy?

When can we officially refer to him as "President Omacho"?
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Gen and Phirang thanks for those replies.

Ok - the repo thing was interesting in that it lead me to this on a search of what repos are (which now I know are repurchase agreements :) ) http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/....

that echoes what Gen is saying exactly.

so if I have this right, this is cause and effect order:
1) Banks are insolvent and need money to shore up balance sheets
2) Fed Reserve and Fed Govt wants to help Bank elites (and also likely pension funds)
3) To get cash to help banks govt must issue new bonds
4) To hold down inflation that bonds might create Fed Rsrv must pull back on Repos which reduces money (credit) in the market on the other side of the ledger. This also triggers a recession.
5) Recession depresses value of stocks which also benefits Treasury sales

Question: if that is close or right, this seems paradoxical as a strategy in that the Recession further drives the financial sector under water requiring even more treasuries, which will require more pull back in other credit and/or stock devaluation. I believe the Fed is a bit stupid but not that stupid - they have a goal which is not to our benefit - but that doesn't make them stupid. So how does this ultimately even work for the financial industry? I must be missing something?

Thanks again.
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If crashes are being intentionally fomented, then what's "the plan" off the bottom? National Socialism, American-style, is the only answer I can come up with. What else?

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Have the IMF and ROW take out huge dollar-denominated debt.

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If you're using XP, try MWsnap 3.0. Has a 1,495k footprint, and you can set it to start with Windows minimized to the tray.

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since I do not believe anyone in washington has much of a clue, I would recommend looking at the problem this way:
market = the price a seller is willing and able to accept from a willing ***and able*** buyer. The sellers are getting more and more willing and the buyers are not very able anymore. any attempt to hide the number they agree to is extremely suspect. any tinkering to change that number is immediately seen by the disadvantaged party as a tax. right now, the savers and investors who are going to eventually save the US financial system are being ass raped by the fed, the congress, and wall street. And they are doing exactly what they should be doing: picking up the ball and going home. that leaves a lot of predators staring at each other. stay tuned for a despicable episode that will determine our financial future.

side note: extrapolating the able buyers and sellers idea to the banks (who are both buyers and sellers in the same system) gets very interesting when you think about the different enablers they have been relying on.

last side note--I believe the recession will bottom 48 hours after the "C" and "AIG" ticker symbols are available again on the NYSE.

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Karl, your productivity is really impressive. But when you write:

"The worse news is that there is only a certain amount of money in the world, and when Treasury decides to try to suck it all up to dispense to their bankster buddies it has to come from somewhere.

That "somewhere" is going to be stock prices."

I can't see how money ever (except for dividend) coming out of the stock market. If someone sells a stock at 70, someone puts 70 into it. Plus fees.

Is it just a metaphorical way of saying Strong hand to weak hand/bigger fool/dumb money?

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If I buy a stock at $60 and end up selling it at $50, the second transfer costs me $10. The first guy I bought it from is long gone with the cash.

Earned money (wages, etc) is not infinite. If demand goes up for bonds it goes down for stocks, all other things being equal.

Of course they never are but the fact remains that asset allocation shifts do change prices.

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KD

That was the best ticker I have seen in awhile. That is great information and explains a lot of whats going one.

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Teabags delivered:

1) Went to my local senators but they did not answer the door... they have a camera. So I slid some bowel cleansing tea with instructional flyer attached under the door. I circle and highlight the part where is says "promotes REGULARITY and ELIMINATES TOXINS" and wrote in the following link....
http://www.market-ticker.org

2) Went to my local "house" man's office today... He has never voted for this bull**** stuff. The assistant saw that I had something in my hand. I asked her where her man stood on the stimulus issue. Eyeballing my hand, she said her man did not vote for any of this garbage... I said well, this would not be for him then... She's like what is it?

Turns out she really likes tea so I pulled a new sealed packed from my nice tea pocket - Expensive organic vanilla dark Ceylon tea. She laughed when I told her what the senator got...

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