Last Chance
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Posted 2008-11-12 08:14
by Karl Denninger
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Seriously.

Go read the previous Ticker.

Here's the fundamental and market picture.

There were many who said that we would not have a recession in 2007, including Bernanke, Buffett, Paulson and dozens of others.  The government and its minions took actions that would "promote moderate growth over time."

In the first part of 2008 we heard the same siren song - there will be no recession, there will be no cataclysm.  "The economy is fundamentally sound."

Actions continued to be taken that amounted to giving whiskey (looser credit) to a drunk (the credit junkie that is America.)  The drunk developed cirrhosis and liver cancer from all the extra booze, which he readily consumed.  The warning signs continued to pile up, I and a few others reported them, but we were universally ignored.

Now the drunk (our economy) is in the hospital puking up blood and his liver enzyme levels are off the charts.  He's anemic, obviously jaundiced, and near death.

Congress and our government has one last chance to stop the insanity, in that The TARP has been pulled over so much that its now out of money, and Treasury will inevitably come back to ask for the other $350 billion.

Congress, our President-Elect, and our President have only one action they can take that will save us from the abyss.

They must say no and instead start issuing subpoenas and indictments, shutting off the booze, and they must do so now.

I have no reason to believe Congress or our executive (incoming or outgoing) will do this.

But if they do not we are likely to see a "relief rally" somewhere here into the end of the year, then a grueling 2-year+ crash much as happened in 1930-32, culminating with somewhere between a 75 and 90% loss in the major indices, essentially destroying both equities and the corporate debt market.

Unemployment will go north of 10% on the "official" statistics, and U6 will approach (if not breach) 20%.

GDP will contract slowly at first but the consumer-led spiral will accelerate into 2009, reaching a cumulative 20% off the peak by the end of 2010.

To Congress, and President-Elect Obama:

Who are you going to listen to now?

The men and women who have been consistently wrong?  Secretary Paulson and Ben Bernanke, both of whom said all the way up until they presented their "bailout" proposal that "The economy is fundamentally sound?"

The men who said they wanted to help "Main Street" and then gave $70 billion to Wall Street bankers for their bonus pools?

The men who said they were going to buy distressed mortgage securities, then instead spent the entire first-half allocation on handouts so their "friends" could raid weaker rivals, and in addition re-wrote tax policy in the dark of night to grant those same favored friends $150 billion in extra giveaways you didn't vote on?

Or will you listen to people like myself who have been consistently right.  The people who told you time and time again that this bailout not only would not work but would not be spent where Treasury and The Fed said it would?  That it would go to benefit not Main Street but Wall Street and other banking interests, including (quite possibly) foreign investors and governments, further impoverish the taxpayer, and yet do nothing to address the root of the problem - excessive levels of debt throughout the system?

You cannot unseize the financial system and restore the normal functioning of the capital markets until the unsustainable and irredeemable debt has been defaulted.

Will you finally listen to The American People - who were solidly against this bailout - and all the other bailouts?

I believe we may be days, weeks or (at the outside) months away from The United States reaching the point of no return in the mismanagement of this financial mess.

We are dangerously close to investors worldwide coming to the realization that Ben Bernanke at The Fed has taken in "collateral" that is not worth anything close to what has been claimed - that is, that he's been lying all along.

In fact, if you remember back when Bear Stearns was first bailed out we were told there was little chance there would be any impairment on those so-called "assets" as a significant haircut had been taken - but The Fed has been quietly writing down the "assets" in "Maiden Lane", the Bear Bailout facility, without any significant announcement or discussion with Congress.  (Yes, I know, Blackrock "claims" the collateral has been performing well on a cashflow basis. If all this is true, why can't we all see the details?)

Should investors around the world (and in the United States) come to believe that Treasury, The Fed and Ben Bernanke are liars, they would then be forced to conclude that they have in fact conspired to monetize a significant part of the bad paper "accepted" through the various facilities - which would mean The Fed has been "printing money" (despite telling you he had not in his latest Congressional testimony.) 

The consequence of that conclusion would almost certainly be immediate capital flight and a "sudden stop" shutdown of foreign investment in our Treasury Markets.  How would Congress respond if Treasury was unable to market its securities except through monetization ala Weimar Germany? 

Do you really want to face that possibility and what it would mean for America?

Adding to this is the fact that China has announced an intent to prop up their own economy through a massive fiscal stimulus package.  The difference between China and The United States is that China has a huge surplus.  The bad news is that it is largely in dollars and US Treasuries.  To fund this stimulus they will almost certainly either consume some of this surplus or at least stop adding to it.  In addition the gulf oil states are seeing their local equity markets collapse even faster than ours; they too are going to be forced to redirect foreign exchange reserves internally to support their economies and citizens.  

When you add all this up you are forced to conclude that the door is slamming closed on the United States for foreign subsidization of our budget deficits just as we attempt to ram through more than a trillion worth over the next six to twelve months.

It is not going to work.

Congress, President-Elect Obama, America.

You have a choice.

Your choice comes down to either forcing the bad debt into the open and accepting the economic turmoil that will result (and there will be plenty of it), and a cessation of deficit spending (or at least a return to the area of 1% of GDP until the economy turns) or you are likely to see 10% of America calling this home within the next two years.

 

 

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Gabriel
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Another spot on Ticker. Unfortunately, no one who is responsible for this will pay, financially or legally. As you said
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I have no reason to believe Congress or our executive (incoming or outgoing) will do this.

And again, as you said:
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But if they do not we are likely to see a "relief rally" somewhere here into the end of the year, then a grueling 2-year+ crash much as happened in 1930-32

NPR just had a WSJ talking head on. Reporter asked what happened to the TARP $ helping and why isn't FN/FM & AIG turning around? "Things were worse than expected. Obama's admin will have to pump more money in."
Head meet brick wall.

I wish we'd either hold people accountable and end the charade; or take off the seatbelts, turn off the lights, and ram this ****er right into oncoming traffic and see who survives. Let's give everyone their rainbow ****ting unicorn and get this over with.
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Gen, thanks for linking to your 2008 forecast Ticker. I read it again and you nailed everything (except you were too optimistic on how low the S&P would sink). Great work. For the few of us that listen to you, your analysis and recommendations have been a godsend.
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Thx Gen, the utter stupidity and lack of backbone by world officials is unbelievable. Until people get up and say no more its just going to continue. Just not sure how you get a bunch of apathetic dudes up and in to the streets. For instance in the UK you would be tagged as a terrorist, not an intelligent free thinking human who's had enough of this ****.

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Another great ticker, Gen. I can't help but wonder how you are able to generate so much quality writing every day. Impressive.

I had some additional info this AM wrt one issue you mentioned:

Gen said:
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...Adding to this is the fact that China has announced an intent to prop up their own economy through a massive fiscal stimulus package. The difference between China and The United States is that China has a huge surplus. The bad news is that it is largely in dollars and US Treasuries. To fund this stimulus they will almost certainly either consume some of this surplus or at least stop adding to it.


I received the following from Stratfor today, and I'm interested in other's take on it. This raises questions as to just what the Chinese government is up to. They clearly have been taking smoke and mirrors lessons from the USG...


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News from China stole the stage (everywhere outside the United States, anyway) from U.S. President-elect Barack Obama on Monday, with Beijing announcing a $570 billion stimulus package to counteract the local impact of the global economic downturn. Stock markets in Asia and Europe, along with most commodity markets, bubbled in reaction.

As the theory of the uptick goes, China is the world's third- or fourth-largest economy, depending on whose numbers you use, and its nearly $2 trillion in currency reserves makes it one of the few states to have much room to maneuver in the current economic crisis. The specific problem that China faces is not a liquidity crunch (as in the United States) or banking crisis (as in Europe), but rather the enervation of its exports -- most of which are sold to a now recessionary West. Fewer exports means fewer factory runs, which could quickly translate into multitudes of unemployed Chinese willing to take long walks in big groups. The question on the Chinese Politburo's collective mind is how to ensure that social stability does not fray when the fundamentals of the quintessential Asian export economy go straight to hell.

The proposed solution goes something like this: Develop the inland provinces and thus create internal demand for the country's "exports." Most of China's wealth is generated by and held in its port cities, all of which grew to prominence during the export-led development binge of the past 30 years. But much of the population is not clustered around these coastal provinces; it is located further inland, where people live on the wrong side of sizable income, education, employment and quality of life gaps. On the surface, it seems the new program has a middling chance of succeeding simply because it will be backed up by $570 billion -- nearly 20 percent of China's gross domestic product (GDP).

Yet at second glance it is not clear how much money is really on offer. The $570 billion includes funds precommitted for other programs, and a large chunk that local governments will be expected to somehow stump for themselves. And there is also the issue of how quickly the money will be made available. Details are sketchy here too, but it appears that the money will be spent over a period of two to as many as five years. Taken together, the package suddenly looks a lot less impressive, having shrunk from the originally reported 15-20 percent of GDP in one year (the biggest stimulus package in human history) to a sum with "new money" perhaps amounting to less than 1 percent of GDP per year for the next five -- a "stimulus" that most countries would just consider part of their normal budgets.

Which leaves us with two questions. First, why is the national government not simply using its currency reserves to pay for the program itself? Most likely, this is because Beijing realizes that much of the vastly poor and corrupt inland would require far too much aid to ever become developed by any reasonable standards. Turning the poorest parts of an overpopulated country into something rich enough to potentially replace Paris and New York on your customer list is not something that can happen quickly or cheaply, and Beijing cannot be itching to send good money into China's undeveloped areas.

Second, if the national government is not bellying up to the bar for this plan, then who will? Based on China's record, it seems the interior provinces are most likely to be forced to pay up to three-quarters of the bill, mainly by taking out loans under the much looser monetary policy that Beijing is offering. In terms of relative size, this could well be like Washington directing the 50 states to double the outlays of their budgets for four years without compensation. The provinces will approve of taking on so much debt only if they are freed to lavish their borrowed wealth on pet projects of their own. And that would not be a coherent economic policy at all.

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I think Paulson and Bernanke knew early on that Wile E. Coyote had already run straight off the cliff, so they chose to focus on frantic efforts to slow his descent before J6P notices the "gravity" of what has happened, hoping that the proles won't panic telegenically on the way down.
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"But if they do not we are likely to see a "relief rally" somewhere here into the end of the year, then a grueling 2-year+ crash much as happened in 1930-32"

I think we collapse within the next two months.

It took 2 years for the Moody's Baa yield index to reach its high in GD1, corresponding to the equity collapse. Ben/Paulson managed to accomplish it in a few weeks.

It's OVER. Most likely this year.

No corp funding = no economy. Period.

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I think we collapse within the next two months.

It took 2 years for the Moody's Baa yield index to reach its high in GD1, corresponding to the equity collapse. Ben/Paulson managed to accomplish it in a few weeks.

It's OVER. Most likely this year.


I agree with you Obs.

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I'm with Obseedian now.

No one is 'minding the store'.

They managed to keep the plates spinning through the election, that's all.

If the pols were interested in engineering a rally, they would have announced a big stimulus package.

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Isn't the invocation of Weimar Germany inconsistent with the thesis of deflation? Or is the Bank Of Sealy crowd going to get wiped out too?
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Cash is useless if the government that backs it blows up.

Hyper-inflation, deflation... does it really matter?
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Karl,

You have been on a roll lately. Your tickers have been outstanding. smiley

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Great Ticker!
I'm with Obs and Nova on the timeframe.

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I think we will make to the first of the year. Everyone will hold out for the ever fading hope that Christmas sales will be better than expected. When they are not, then the whole thing collapses. Even before Barack takes office. It will be the most somber inauguration in history.

By the way, my theory on why banks are hoarding and not lending is interest rates. If you look at the yield curve it is obvious that banks expect interest rates to jump and they are accumulating cash now. Why loan it out at 6-8% when in a few months they can loan it at 12-14%.

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Crow, did you see the article about Australia and the internet. Nationwide the country is considering installing filters on all ISPs that will filter out some 30,000 websites, most of which they call porn.

With our Patriot Act, I expect they will start shutting down websites like this one -- and any other that criticizes the government. I read today about Martin Armstrong and I have no doubt that he is a "political prisoner."

It is hard to believe that our government has become fascist.

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Squared, yeah I did, scary stuff and really just the tip of the ever expanding iceberg. Been racking my brains to think of a way to get the masses interested in protesting about the financial rip and other stuff...peacefully of course. Even have a website on the go feelingrebellious.com towards that aim, but the fact remains unless we can get those capable of free thinking interested in a bigger way we could very well be arriving at orwells vision faster than we think. I'm in the UK at the moment, there are cameras literally ****ing everywhere yet I haven't heard one murmor from the media about how Brown let banks get themselves levered up to high heaven, whilst loaning money to anyone with a heartbeat.

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Gen, I assume this is those level 3 assets, is this right?

I never really understood how banks can take assets off the books and keep them "off balance sheet". I just don't hear a lot about level 3 assets even though they clearly shown on the reporting.
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No, Level 3 assets and off-balance-sheet crap are two different things.

Different ways to lie.

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Psquared, I would argue that the fascist aspect hasn't quite arrived yet. That occurs when large sections of the population become "accepting" to an ideology and are used to police the rest of the population. Tyranny is when the government polices the people........ fascism is when the people take over that role. You then get a population of mindless flag waiving automatons who believe only in what the "party" and the "leader" say. The rest of the population have to behave themselves because they never know who will grass them up.

I could be wrong of course......... I often am
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Tajak, your right of course. But you have to wonder how policy makers can get away with all these bailouts and people not be out in the streets. Where's the outrage, as they say. Peacefull protest is not harmfull to anyone and can only be healthy for the long term prosepects of a free society.

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Good point -- everyone cheered Hitler and Mussolini when they spoke and carried little Nazi flags with them. This is more like corporatism. All the little CEOs have Bernanke and Paulson buttons on their lapels instead of American flags.

Bill O'Reilly (who I hate) and Jon Stewart (who is funny, but wrong) were arguing last night about whether the country had moved left of center or was still right of center. To me, that is not an issue, but rather how mindless and accepting we've become.

"Please sir, can I have some more."

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Been toying with a disturbing thought:

Has anyone considered that when, not if, the "sheeple" turn, it's not going to be against .gov or Wall Street, but against those of us who are "awake" and have been sounding the alarm...

Ever thought that, to the great unwashed, we might be the villains in the not-so-distant future?

(Sorry, Gen, I know this is prolly bilgeworthy - it's just been bubbling more and more and I had to say it)
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Fidget, the way I see it, it would be every family for themselves.

The bigger the family, the easier to survive.

The less urban the setting, the easier to survive.

This is exactly the opposite of how we're positioned at the moment, with extended families separated geographically, in urban areas, adult kids away from their parents, and a generation of adolescents and early 20-somethings with no ability to do much of anything besides play video games and talk on cell phones.

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I was just listening to someone on the radio talking about standing in a long line at the post office; she mentioned while standing in line that this is prolly what government-run healthcare would be like as well. She said the amount of antipathy and anger that engendered amongst the crowd there astounded her; someone even asked her young daughter, "Does your mommy talk like that at home?".

Scary ****.
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Fidgit: I would think we'd have to go quite far down the road to a mad-max scenario before it would come to that. But if we did... well... I'd guess they would go after anybody with the ability to support themself, if for no other reason than to feed their family.

I can't see it happening. The US would default and turtle up before it got to that point.

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