These actions were taken administratively Nova - there was no Congressional review either sought or in fact possible for either decision.

Unfortunately.

So, all of the stuff leading up to that decision amounts to nil?

I'll say it: I think that believing you can get the dems off of their butts is folly. The best you can do is work one side against the other.

When I was riding home today I was listening to Howard Dean on CSPAN. He was at the National Press Club and yucking it up about how President Obama won by running as a moderate republican. Dean is right. They ran a great campaign of talking moderate repub promises and promising the entitlements to the left and poor.

Brilliant. I saw it all along and knew you were right when you said that McCain blew it by not bucking the repub establishment. He blew it to the cost of 15 more, at least, years of ruling from the bench, not only on abortion, but on a variety of issues.

Yes that issue might have been administrative but could the dems have stopped the bailout? Of course they could.

In order for you to achieve your goal, you, have to get not me off of my ass, you have to make it REALLY uncomfortable for the rich republicans OR motivate those who have their hands out to realize they've been duped. I can't see either of those two groups moving unless out of desperation.

Right now, CNBC is towing the WSJ line of re-inflating the bubble. That's the rich repubs. They probably have more sway with President Obama. So you have to focus on killing President Obama's base or getting to him. I hope you can.

It's a big job.

No, I only have to point out what happened. That's what I do.

If TF or others want me to be a lobbyist, they can start paying me to be one. I've given over a year to that, unpaid, and have foregone a lot of opportunity to do so.

That and $2 will get you a small coffee at Starbucks; I don't have to do anything, and frankly, I'm to the point where I believe "it is what it is", and I believe that a white-hot poker up some Republican's asses in the form of a monster liberal majority USSC just might wake some of these people up.

My goal is now to keep my daughter and I financially secure, and everything else gets whatever time I have left over.

I no longer have a mission to turn around anything or anyone.

That ended last night.

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My goal is now to keep my daughter and I financially secure, and everything else gets whatever time I have left over.

That you should do. She's a great kid.

I have no kid and that's why I am at where I am at. For me it's taking care of my parents

But lets be real about what a vote for President Obama was, it was a vote for the same.

No, it was a vote for a 10% chance of a (positive) change, as opposed to a 0% chance of a (positive) change.

So how are you going to accomplish that?

10% chance. Who are you going to motivate?

Nova, you might as well ask him how he's going to make a company perform well and pay off his longs.

All he can do is enter an order, which all that voting really is.

Painted:

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Nova,

It's probably not worth the effort and yr emotional energy to get into any further political debates, specifically when there appears to be so much pent up emotion (anger).

I would say "**** it" and simply take care of yourself and yours, that's it. You and many others here have stood up to the "call for people to get off their arse" put your heart and soul into trying to make a difference. However, don't forget about taking care of #1 through the process as no one else will take care of you, except for you. You don't need to be guilted into doing anything you don't want to do, period!

Amen and amen, Flinter!

A vote is nothing more or less than expressing a belief.

That's all.

I believe Obama is both brighter and more likely to do the right thing.

This does not mean that I believe Obama is likely to do the right thing.

Just more likely.

That's all, but that's enough, because as I've said repeatedly, without an economy nothing else matters.

Genesis,

I know I already gave you my worthless thank you last night, but I'd like to thank you again and ask you to keep giving your time to your site and those of us interested in learning and supporting your efforts as much as you can. What I've learned from this dialogue alone has been very valuable and points me in the right direction for further research.

Our son is 9, We've worked so hard to give him a better life and a chance at the future he deserves, which I'm now watching wash away. We were as poorly positioned as possible for this economy, if I had even found your site in April 08 and listened I could have changed everything. Finding out the night Pres Bush discussed the bailout was far too late for us.

Also, thank you for your strict control of the abuses of your site. There's no time for any of the things you're objecting to, and it's another stmt to your credibility that you end it swiftly and with little debate.

Yeah...we are in good hands, since the greatest manipulators of the "free" market are JP Morgan, Goldman, Citi and Morgan Stanley, and they also have stock in Obama. I'm sure Obama will do the right thing.


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"Personally I don't think this credit bubble was the result of any one particular administration's policies, although they were all culpable."

Meatpuddle - I believe you've hit the nail on the head. There's plenty of culpability for everyone - no need for one any one group to keep it all to themselves. Personally, I damn them all - both parties, the pigmen, the real estate industry, and the general public who misused and abused credit that was way too easy to obtain.

I see Republicans gained an incredible advantage last night, although they must choose to use it. Unlike the Dems, they now have the opportunity to take a step back, reflect a little, and seriously clean house. If they can sweep out the ones in their party leadership who are owned in the next 2 years and if the Dems do squat during that time, the Repubs could take back the House and set themselves up for the presidency in 2012.

I may be more or less a Democrat, but that doesn't mean I'm not terrified of a supermajority. I also know that we desperately need our fiscal conservatives in times like these. I'm a big believer in balance. I fear Obama will not see this, and it will result in our ruin. I pray everyday that my fears will not be realized, but I don't hold out a lot of hope.

Obama's job one is to calm down the masses. Attempt to restore confidence.
Bush did an excellent job after 911. Telling people to spend, as usual. Maybe too many spent too much and leveraged it.
Bush stepped into a recession. Obama is stepping into a depression.

If I had a huge pile of cash. I would look to deploy smart wealthy people and create a online forum, for the people.
Once a month we vote and assist congress in making legislative decisions. Only voting, no longer works. No bias.
First national vote to be introduced and forced down their throat.
NO MORE EARMARKS.
No more policies without our approval.
No more lobbies.
Make Americans, the board of directors.
Make the asshats accountable.
Ross Perot?
Gun control? Let we the people speak!
Wooden arrows for kids? Sure, and can I put my foot up your ass.
Obama won, because he sprinkled pixie dust of hope and change. It helps with perceptions, but doesn't pay the bills.